Teen pulling prank killed by neighbor

The Palm Beach Post ^ | Sunday, October 26 | Sarah Eisenhauer and Cynthia Kopkowski

[Freedom2specul8]

"Guess we'll have to wait for the investigation to tell us"

I agree..I'll ping you if I see any new articles about this. Let me know if you find an updated article... ok?

[Clemenza]

Clemenza: PJPII Class of '94

[muawiyah]

Now you're getting smart. In this or any other discussion site the second somebody says "gee whiz guys I was there" or "I've talked to one of the witnesses", it's best to lay off of them lest you become part of the case.

We had some cases in the federal courts in DC during the Clinton years where drug gang enforcers would show up to just stand in the corridors and intimidate people planning on testifying.

They had others inside the courtroom reviewing witness statements. They ended up killing some poeople. After that the courts really cracked down on this business of witness intimidation. Although these new practices may not have come to your area as yet, they are in place here.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

But you don't know that. Because you weren't there. Or were you? Feeling guilty maybe?

[durham62]

I was not there and feel no guilt.

[Freedom2specul8]

I am just floored that you're calling the kid a fool. Just because his mind hadn't caught up with his body, (hence the game of ring and run, a man's body with a teen boys mind) doesn't mean he deserved to die!

[Clemenza]

Sarah Eisenhauer

I knew Sarah, the co-author of this piece, who happens to be a fellow alumnus of PJPII. I know of two other former schoolmates of mine who wound up in the local media. Now I know of three.

[Clemenza]

Sarah Eisenhauer

I knew Sarah, the co-author of this piece, who happens to be a fellow alumnus of PJPII. I know of two other former schoolmates of mine who wound up in the local media. Now I know of three.

[muawiyah]

Why did the homeowner open his door and go outside to confront the kid if not to kill him?

In 49 states the law is substantially different than this. Apparantly it just never occurred to anyone in Louisiana that it is not required of you to "confront" troublesome people.

There's no sense in trying to argue on behalf of Louisiana and it's people in this particular case. There's a lot of sense in avoiding the place. They are dangerous and incivil folk.

[Freedom2specul8]

Oh yeah, intimidating witnesses is everywhere. I'm not worried about my statements..just those few statements that are claiming that freepers support the idea that gunowners don't need to know their targets and beyond. See what I mean?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

So you don't know what happened. Because you were not there.

Interesting.

And you feel no guilt because...you maybe are smart enough to know that causing fear in people is not a nice thing to do?

Your friend was not being a nice person. That does not mean that he deserved to die but get over your denial of the facts.

[Clemenza]

Read my follow up: He DID NOT deserve to die. Nevertheless, he did something my parents always warned me NOT to do and now is dead in the process.

If I were the homeowner, I simply would have chased the kid and "confronted" him, no firearm necessary.

[stands2reason]

It seems like he had to have been standing at the door..

See my #304.

[On the Road to Serfdom]

If the Japanese student froze and obeyed the homeowner and got shot anyway you would have a point. That is now what happened and you are ignoring the facts of the situation.

[Freedom2specul8]

Thanks for clarifying...I just didn't want anyone to think that freepers believe that we don't need to know our targets and beyond. It's the most important part of being a responsible gunowner..and so far, it looks like the homeowner was NOT being responsible. We'll have to wait and see.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

"Notice how it mentions his eyes being red"

Just playing Devils advocate here, do you think there is any possibility the man had spent the night crying over the death, right or wrong? I'm not saying anything pro shooter or pro teen, but under the presented circumstances, it's reasonable to assume the shooter was badly traumatized by the death.

There are times when police officers in perfectly righteous shooting find themselves stricken by the knowledge of thier involvement in the death of a suspect. It may not be common, but it has been known to happen.

As to the rest, it's been said already but bears repeating, we are not privy to the facts of the matter and right now suppostion and airchair crime scene investigation is little more than mental masterbation. It may feel good, but in the end it causes a mess and upsets the spectators.

[muawiyah]

A deaf guy might have had the same problem. BTW, a deaf man I knew who was a student at Gallaudet ended up killed by the guards because they broke his haloid bone; he struggled around to breath, and they smothered him.

The issue was his parking sticker for campus use. The guards treated him as though he could hear perfectly well. Apparantly there are not all that many commuter students there, and most folks driving in and out of the place are faculty or staff.

Ordinarily it's not a death penalty offense to dispute the cops about a parking ticket related to whether or not you have the right parking sticker.

BTW, the guy did have the right sticker. He also had great difficulty talking (which is frequently the case with profoundly deaf people), and the school seemed to have nothing but inexperienced trainees on that job that evening.

The guy in Louisiana didn't have to go outside. The guy in Palm Beach didn't have to go outside. You don't have to go outside. I don't have to go outside. People make innocent mistakes all the time. Not everyone is trying to kill us .

[Freedom2specul8]

"Many on here are taking the homeowner's word that he was asleep when he heard a knock, "

Exactly! We're thinking along the same lines. I thought maybe they rang this guy's doorbell more than once...or maybe he saw them doing it to neighbors, or maybe a scared elderly neighbor called him in advance... It just happened too fast.

[gatex]

"I simply would have chased the kid and "confronted" him, no firearm necessary."

You couldn't catch him --- and when you were a short distance away, an accomplice hiding could then enter your house (see my earlier post about this in Houston). Point is that we can not know the motives of others in the night.

There were also home invasions in Houston.

An Indian engineer in Houston said his friends were robbed in their garage after returning home -- robbers were waiting for them. He said a lot of the Indians got robbed because it was known that Indians often had a lot of gold jewelry.

[BenR2]

I agree. But you will find that some posters on FR believe that training is "infringement" and think the poor kid got what he deserved. Sad.

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Training is not an infringement -- and no one I know ever said it was, so your post is inaccurate at best.

In fact, training is our friend.

However, MANY of us say (and correctly, so) that state-mandated training requirements are an infringement.

Care to refute me based on the wording of the Second Amendment?

Do you also support state-mandated potty training?