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Gadget Aims to Protect Knees on Airplanes
earthlink news ^ | 10-24-03

Posted on 10/24/2003 4:32:19 PM PDT by wheelgunguru

WASHINGTON - Every cramped air traveler may have the right to lean his seat back, but Ira Goldman sees airplane justice from another perspective - that of the person behind - and he's found a way to even the score.

Goldman invented the Knee Defender, a beeper-sized block of plastic that lets passengers prevent the seat in front of them from reclining.

The gadget, which went on sale about a month ago on the Internet for $10, has sparked heated debate in online chat rooms, and aviation officials worry about the disagreements that will be generated at 30,000 feet.

Alison Duquette, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said the product violates no FAA regulations, so it would be up to individual airlines to prohibit it. Although the FAA has not tested the Knee Defender, it sought to discourage people from using anything that would "alter the performance of any part of an airplane."

Northwest Airlines said it will ban the Knee Defender from all flights. Other carriers, such as American Airlines and Delta Air Lines, acknowledged concerns about safety - not to mention the comfort of passengers who want to recline - but are still figuring out what to do.

The safety concerns stem from the design, because the Knee Defender works only when the tray table is down. The hard plastic block, which has an inch-wide groove down the middle, fits around the arm of a tray table and acts as a barrier to the seat's backward movement.

"We have tested this product on several seat types and find that when installed, should someone try to force the seat to recline, the tray table assembly can break," said Mary Stanik, a Northwest spokeswoman. "If the seat is damaged, including the tray table, in flight, it may adversely affect passenger evacuation in the event of an emergency."

Goldman said he would stop selling the product if the airlines prove it unsafe, but so far he's unmoved by their arguments. The 50-year-old Washington, D.C., resident, who's 6-foot-4, said he didn't invent Knee Defender so fliers would be able to "hog scarce space," but rather for the physical well-being of tall travelers like himself.

"If I hadn't been bashed in the knees over and over again, this wouldn't have been invented," said Goldman, who estimated that nearly 1,000 Knee Defenders have been ordered. At the very least, he said the device could be a useful "early warning system" for long-legged fliers or people using laptops, enabling them to ask the passenger in front not to recline.

"Be polite to fellow passengers," says a sticker affixed to each Knee Defender.

Kevin Gross of San Francisco, who ordered a Knee Defender but hasn't yet used it, said he would immediately remove the device if asked to by a passenger or flight attendant. But Gross is betting it'll go undetected in most cases, since travelers will just assume the seat is busted and not make a fuss.

Don't count on 50-year-old Dan Hammer of White Plains, N.Y., to be so docile.

"If I saw somebody that put the Knee Defender on the seat behind me so that I can't go back, I'll be very upset," Hammer said.

That's just the kind of high dudgeon that worries Dawn Deeks, a spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants.

After all, flight attendants already often ask passengers not to lean back too far, and they would be the ones to police any disputes.

To Deeks, the Knee Defender is "an insensitive knee-jerk reaction to insensitive people" that would only inflame tempers.



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: airlines; inventions
Reason #12,043 why I hate to fly. It's about as enriching as riding a bus through China town.
1 posted on 10/24/2003 4:32:19 PM PDT by wheelgunguru
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To: wheelgunguru
Anything Earthlink SUCKS!

Really.

2 posted on 10/24/2003 4:54:44 PM PDT by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: wheelgunguru
You know what? If ya dont like the cheap seats, just go first class.

The folks in front have a RIGHT to use the seats they PAID for, in the customary manner. It is not the fault of another PAYING customer if the seat bothers you knees.

What an a whole this guy is!
3 posted on 10/24/2003 4:54:49 PM PDT by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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To: Roughneck
At 6'8", I have to fly first class.

It's worth the price and more.

4 posted on 10/24/2003 4:57:34 PM PDT by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: Roughneck
What I do is put my knees in MY SPACE in such a way that they cannot move their seat backs. After about a minute or so of trying they give up, and I can move my knees to some other place in the SPACE I paid for.

BTW: Does anyone really get any benefit from moving their seat back the 2-3 microns the typical seat moves back? My own belief is that it is primarily psychological. It certainly is not a restful position.

5 posted on 10/24/2003 5:02:01 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: wheelgunguru
That's just the kind of high dudgeon that worries Dawn Deeks,...
When thesauruses attack.
6 posted on 10/24/2003 5:10:41 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The flying public brings with it to the airport the same standard of manners and morals it takes to the highways, none.

It is for that reason impose on all flights where legroom is always limited and virtually does not exist, a restriction that seats should be prevented from leaning. The leaning seat with someone’s head in your lap causes needless tension and discomfort among passengers, which can and should be avoided.

My second suggestion is that all airlines should follow a standardized set of boarding and deplaning instructions. At the present time they all have their own often-unclear set of instructions causing angst and further unnecessary tension with the flying public.




7 posted on 10/24/2003 5:16:52 PM PDT by arthur003 (arthur003)
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To: wheelgunguru
If I ever fly in the future, I'll definately shell out for first class; this crap ain't worth it.
8 posted on 10/24/2003 5:37:10 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Does anyone really get any benefit from moving their seat back the 2-3 microns the typical seat moves back? My own belief is that it is primarily psychological. It certainly is not a restful position.

I have to agree with you. The recline position has been reduced over the years to where it is more of a placebo effect to "recline" rather than anything else. Add to that the fact that at least one airline, American, has slightly increased the space between rows where it is not so bad. The exception is transatlantic flights where the only decent seats are business class or better.

To sum it up, there are many things I hate about flying these days, but the seat room is about number 5 or 6. I will not go into 1 through 4 as it would be off-topic...

9 posted on 10/24/2003 5:39:00 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: wheelgunguru
I fly Southwest often; I'm getting one of these. Sounds great. There's nothing worse than some jerk in front of you pushing the back of his seat into your face. It's my space, and I'm keeping it. I agree with the poster who said it doesn't really add to the comfort to recline; it's basically "I'm here and I'm taking up as much space as I want" attitude.

BTW, Southwest has no first class, and even if they did why should I pay more to get space I paid for but some jerk is trying to take away from me?

I'd vote for airlines to simply eliminate reclining seats; that would solve the problem.

10 posted on 10/24/2003 5:44:01 PM PDT by JoeFromCA
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To: wheelgunguru
Posted here.
11 posted on 10/24/2003 5:46:05 PM PDT by TomServo ("Steve's dead now. From here on, Steve's death will be represented by the oboe.")
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To: wheelgunguru
whine ping
12 posted on 10/24/2003 6:12:19 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: wheelgunguru
This is so silly. If the guy reclining in front of you is such a big deal, just get a bulkhead seat......so that there is no one in front of you. Or get the first row of the seats on the emergency exit row, typically the seats in front of that row don't recline.
13 posted on 10/24/2003 6:49:19 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
' What I do is put my knees in MY SPACE in such a way that they cannot move their seat "

Unless we are all really lucky when we fly, WE are also in front of someone! This gadget asumes that the person in "front" has no right to THEIR SPACE .

I understand the feelings, but, why do people have to be such JERKS! how long is any domestic flight really? why annoy the person sitting in front of you who has paid the same fare? ridiculous!
14 posted on 10/26/2003 12:12:16 PM PST by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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