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To: Light Speed; Cincinatus' Wife; Grampa Dave; Enemy Of The State; swarthyguy
Russia benefits by the U.S. over extending herself....China too.

provocative thoughts: bttt

Questions: Pravda is privately owned now. Is it under the influence of former Soviet loyalists? It's a cauldron of anti-Americanism today.

Do you see Russian or Chinese money flowing into PR firms and other mechanisms for changing world opinions? I'm looking for leads.

Re: Fabian/non-Fabian CFR types -- who's who?

Who continues to protect Syria and why?

Do we have corroborated evidence of Pak nukes heading for Saudi? I know about the recent reports, but what I read were whispers rather than hard news.

What were Gingrich's desired changes, and where have they gone?

78 posted on 10/26/2003 9:33:37 PM PST by risk
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To: risk
Awesome Risk...Awesome.

Kinda like an x-file episode were Mulder and Scully find Cigarette mans stubs in the ashtray : )

Fabian...Jacksonian...Neocon.
We see the names thrown around..they are derided as foolish..yet..they are think tank reality in their time periods..evolving to become what..today..and,
how many line up on each side of the 50 yard line.

Low scale conflicts..
On Charlie Rose Late night a few weeks ago...Kissinger.
Charlie asks H.K. about his new book.
Kissinger waxes eloquent.
[Put on your best gravel tone voice impersonation].
"What was imperative in the Yom Kippur war and Arab / Israeli conflict was too demonstrate to the Arabs the *Futility of dependence on Soviet weapon systems"!

Can we at least surmise that this type of thinking is now at work..on a larger scale..ie.."Lets show the world the futility of not choosing the American Corporate geostrategic model".

Will they allow low intensity conflicts to run..to teach the Arab that they are fragmented..and have nothing aside from the oil.
When Euro is pushed on the table..the U.S. can simply burn the game players economy for choosing Euro over U.S. dollar.
Saudi's...The U.S. will withdraw..allow them to secure things their way..as long as the Saudi Kingdom stays connected to the U.S. Dollar.

Russia is swimming in cash now..the old passions to have others come to Moscow to supplicate for ..weapons..geostrategic support.
Putin and Moscow want this to return..but can they find buyers for toys..like SU 30 MKI..new refurbished MBT's..navy export cruise missiles?.

Does Pootey get a "Piece of the action"?

Big red circles around Syria..Iran and Pakistan for 2004.

What does Bush need to get re-elected?
Would Rumsfeld want to be part of that..seeing that He is already getting hungout to dry..with Coleen Powell..and Condi smiling in the wings.
CFR types taking each other aside..."I told you so"!

media momentum..your question concerning Russia and China?

Both have been kinda quiet since the U.N. sanctions ended..their hope to regain oil concessions in West Qurna in south Iraq..Lukoils former holdings.

Music stops....no chair for France?
Russia and China like their chairs..?

I believe ..at least in the interem..if Russia and China are not satisfied..we will certainly hear of it in the media....they will be the ones to see uncomfortable issues remian into 2004 that hurt the Republicans overseas and at home.

Iran and N.K. seem quiet for now..looks like a senior brokers had a nice dinner..and went away happy.
at least for a while : )

81 posted on 10/26/2003 10:04:45 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: risk
>>Who continues to protect Syria and why?

Do we have corroborated evidence of Pak nukes heading for Saudi? I know about the recent reports, but what I read were whispers rather than hard news.

After the Brits and French screwed Faisalpost ww-1..screwed him outa Damascus..the fallout of the mideast..with remodelled Arab miliatries couping the existing gov.
Faisal family gets wiped off the face of the earth in Iraq.

Who is protecting Syria?
Who is liason between France and the U.S.?

England..content with Her B.P holdings in Kuwait..Iraq.
France..she is backroom master of Damascus...but that is not enough ..as it does not generate U.S. Dollars..nor Euro's.

Keeping the Players happy...what a dance.

Pak nukes.
several points I see..please chime In..I would like read your perception.
Pakistanis' crowing 4- 6 nuclear device tests..no one can get a fix on how many were really atomic..and then..were any at *all...Boosted fission devices?

If you want to hurt Pakistan...say you are Israel,..you desire it to be known,that the nukes available in the future..will just be *Low yeild..and we can knock then down...that is if you can even get one over to us in an attack.
The U.S. benefits here too..as Iran has a crappy missile..and maybe a few low yield nukes..and its kinda comical,
"so your gonna nuke the Jews huh?"

Irans Cleric bravado goes silent real quick.
Russia..shrugs its shoulders..don't look at U.S..."You [Islam] wasted 2 decades on killing a few Jews..propping up the Palestinians..now your chickens come home".

India has Israeli phase array radars..and *Boosted Fission nukes..which even Zouth Afrika has...

Pakistan knows it would loose ultimately in a war gone bad.

The media pushes Iran..Pak nukes etc like a threat to the U.S...or Israel..but are they really?

does it just artificially empower these dupe kingdoms into dillusional power imagry ?

I say the U.S. and Israel..and India are messing with their little minds.

danger is Russia and China..pointing this out to them.."There $#@%^%$ you..do you like the sex"?

The CFR screws up..and good people get burned..like Rummsy.

The danger is down the road some RISK...when population values start to collapse the social net.

82 posted on 10/26/2003 10:29:12 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: risk; RussianConservative
Many will disagree with the following.

I believe the Russians and the Americans can be much closer than they are. I do not look upon them as a similar threat to China or even the Saudis.

The peoples of the two countries are very simpatico; in fact, Russia's eastward Siberian expansion mirrors the westward one of the US.

I had hope that after 9.11 we would have become closer seeing we have a common threat from SaudiPak nexus of terror.

The SinoIslami Alliance is the one to fear.
85 posted on 10/27/2003 9:46:27 AM PST by swarthyguy
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