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US ends efforts to halt Israel's security wall (We Won - State Dept Loses!)
The Financial Time ^ | October 24 2003 | Guy Dinmore

Posted on 10/24/2003 1:40:51 PM PDT by Pubbie

The US has dropped its opposition to Israel's construction of security barriers through the West Bank and is involved in detailed negotiations over project that has divided communities and disrupted the lives of thousands of Palestinians.

The US administration, which had called the wall "a problem", says it wants to minimise the impact on Palestinians of Israel's efforts to protect its settlers on occupied land and stop infiltration by militants into Israel itself. Officials insist the Bush administration is seeking to keep the barrier close to the pre-1967 border.

Commentators close to both sides said yesterday that negotiations over the wall, which may eventually cover several hundred miles at a cost of $1.5bn, had become the central element of US policy in the region following the collapse of the "road map" peace process.

"The fence is now the name of the game," said Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Privately, US officials concede that with a US election one year away, the administration is unlikely to confront Israel over the issue and alienate the powerful Jewish lobby.

But diplomats warn that the change in US policy is breaking apart the "quartet" - the US, European Union, Russia and the United Nations - that launched the road map.

This week the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a non-binding, EU-backed resolution calling on Israel to halt construction. Only four countries voted against - the US, Israel, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands.

The Bush administration's threat to reduce $9bn in loan guarantees to Israel in response to the building of the barrier has had a limited impact on Israeli decisions. But plans for the most controversial sections cutting through East Jerusalem and down the Jordan Valley have not been finalised.

US aviation security experts are in Israel discussing a proposed section that is intended to protect Ben Gurion airport from attack but will cut through Palestinian neighbourhoods.

Israeli officials said the US had specifically approved parts of the fence and wall built on the northwest fringes of the West Bank that have left 13 Palestinian villages and nearly 12,000 people virtually marooned on the Israeli-occupied side. The US State Department denied this, but sources close to the administration said opposition had been abandoned.

B'tselem, an Israeli human rights group, estimates that the first stage of the construction, running for about 130km and in most places 60 to 100 metres wide, has consumed 2,850 acres of Palestinian land and will give only limited access for 72,000 people to their farmland. Most sections do not follow the pre-1967 border.

In July, President George W. Bush pronounced the barrier a "problem".

With Mahmoud Abbas, then Palestinian prime minister, by his side in the White House, he told reporters: "It is very difficult to develop confidence between the Palestinians and Israel with a wall snaking through the West Bank."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: border; bush; fence; israel; securityfence
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1 posted on 10/24/2003 1:40:52 PM PDT by Pubbie
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To: Pubbie
Great news, good post, thank you President Bush and all concerned !
2 posted on 10/24/2003 1:42:31 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Pubbie
But diplomats warn that the change in US policy is breaking apart the "quartet" - the US, European Union, Russia and the United Nations - that launched the road map.

A. Who cares what diplomats think?

B. US out of the UN. UN out of the US.

3 posted on 10/24/2003 1:45:47 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
But diplomats warn that the change in US policy is breaking apart the "quartet" - the US, European Union, Russia and the United Nations - that launched the road map.

But look at the positive side. Fewer Jews will die at the hands of Islamofascists. I am sure the "diplomats" appreciate that fact. Right???

4 posted on 10/24/2003 1:50:51 PM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Pubbie
Slowly but surely were smoking out who's with us and who's against us.

The battlelines are being drawn.
5 posted on 10/24/2003 1:53:12 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Pubbie
We Won - State Dept Loses!

We need a wall around the state department.

6 posted on 10/24/2003 2:03:10 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Pubbie
But diplomats warn that the change in US policy is breaking apart the "quartet" - the US, European Union, Russia and the United Nations - that launched the road map.

GOOD!

How many inocent Israelis have been murdered since this road map was put in place anyway. Since we're dealing with terrorists who don't want peace in the first place anyway, this road map, although well intentioned, never had half of a chance. It's best we face the terrorists' true intentions now, before they acquire WMD, rather than later.

If these diplomats are supposed to be so smart, why don't they realize this simple truth. Oh I know, they too want the destruction of Israel. Sorry but that just isn't going to happen, Israel will survive.

7 posted on 10/24/2003 2:11:03 PM PDT by quesera (Scr*w the RATS, the U.N., and the French!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
oh now you've done it ... Boucher will be all over that remark ... hehe
8 posted on 10/24/2003 2:11:44 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Pubbie
..consumed 2,850 acres of Palestinian land and will give only limited access for 72,000 people to their farmland

That would be roughly .04 acres per person (assuming it's all farmland and they are all farmers). That's some efficient farming!
9 posted on 10/24/2003 2:24:02 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Pubbie
You can tell an election year is just around the corner.
10 posted on 10/24/2003 2:27:40 PM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: Paleo Conservative
We need a wall around the state department.

Could we make it watertight?

11 posted on 10/24/2003 2:31:59 PM PDT by steveegg (Wisconsin CCW? I hope.)
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To: Pubbie
Back in Iowa, there's a saying: "Good fences make for good neighbors".

In this case, good fences make for living neighbors.

They should threaten to move it a kilometer east every time a terrorist attack occurs.

It would be interesting to see if the terror would stop before the fence fronted on Mecca.

12 posted on 10/24/2003 2:33:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Pubbie
The Israelis shouldn't be building a fence.

They should be sowing a minefield about a kilometer deep.

L

13 posted on 10/24/2003 2:33:58 PM PDT by Lurker (Some people say you shouldn't kick a man when he's down. I say there's no better time to do it.)
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To: Pubbie
With Mahmoud Abbas, then Palestinian prime minister, by his side in the White House, he told reporters: "It is very difficult to develop confidence between the Palestinians and Israel with a wall snaking through the West Bank."

Bwahahahhaaha!

Confidence between Palestinians and Israel....please...ohhhh please...you're killin' me!!

(good fences make good neighbors.)

14 posted on 10/24/2003 2:44:35 PM PDT by xzins
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To: EternalVigilance
Bringing it back to the basics, I have a question:

Isn't the Gaza Strip and West Bank part of Israel?

OK, two questions:

Why doesn't the IDF reclaim these areas and 'deport' anyone that does not want to live by Israeli laws? Heck, are these Palestinians even classified as Israeli citizens?


deport = probably have to kill half of them because they'd shoot back.
15 posted on 10/24/2003 2:51:59 PM PDT by tazman3 (Why is this so complicated?)
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To: Pubbie
A wall is not the answer; freeing the Palestinians of their terrorist leadership, is.
16 posted on 10/24/2003 3:22:51 PM PDT by thinktwice ( --- "When goods cross borders, armies do not." --- Source unkinown.)
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To: thinktwice
A wall will help make the possible by depriving the Palestinians of their "Terrorism" Card. That along with creating incentives for Jews to settle in large numbers in the biblical birthplace of the Jewish people, will eventually bring the Palestinians back to the negotiating table. The Palestinians will agree to far less generous terms only when they finally understand that if they don't settle on terms they can get, they will lose everything. And no one in Israel is prepared to give them a state under current circumstances, the efforts of the "Quartet" to the contrary notwithstanding. In undermining peace, the Palestinians have displayed the knack of being their own worst enemies.
17 posted on 10/24/2003 3:29:49 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pubbie
That's great news! BUMP!!
19 posted on 10/24/2003 3:38:11 PM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Pubbie

MORE WALL, LESS ISRAELI DEATHS.

20 posted on 10/24/2003 3:43:04 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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