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Chuck Baldwin Asks Christians, "Is President Bush Really One of Us?"
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 10-24-03 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 10/23/2003 2:21:49 PM PDT by Theodore R.

Is President Bush Really "One Of Us?"

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon

October 24, 2003 As Jimmy Carter had done before him, G.W. Bush won the White House, in part, due to his Christian profession. Christians nationwide regard President Bush as "one of us." They believe that he shares their Christian principles and values.

Why, then, does President Bush use the power of his office to publicly condemn those Christians who courageously champion Christian principles? Time and again, President Bush has publicly repudiated the statements or actions of principled Christians as they attempted to stand for their convictions.

Back in 2002, Bush publicly chastised a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, Rev. Jerry Vines, for his truthful remarks regarding Islam. Vines said, "Islam is not just as good as Christianity." He also rightly said, "Allah is not Jehovah." These remarks brought a swift and stern rebuke from the White House.

Likewise, when Jerry Falwell suggested that the terrorist attacks in 2001 may have been God's judgment upon America (they very well could have been), the White House immediately pronounced its vehement disagreement and displeasure. Dr. Falwell quickly apologized.

However, the most egregious example of Bush's animosity toward outspoken Christians is his handling of the Judge Roy Moore case in Alabama. Not only did President Bush publicly condemn Judge Moore, he either sent or allowed his chief political consultant Karl Rove to spearhead the attack against him.

While it was the ACLU that initially filed the legal case against Judge Moore, it was the White House that was willing to feed Judge Moore to the wolves by the surreptitious, behind-the-scenes maneuverings of Rove.

It was Karl Rove who managed the campaign of Judge Moore's principal opponent in the race for Supreme Court Chief Justice. Furthermore, it appears that Rove is privately managing Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor's prosecution of Judge Moore with the goal of putting Pryor on the federal bench. And now another outspoken Christian patriot is in the Bush crosshairs. His name is Lt. Gen. William Boykin.

In speeches before Christian gatherings, General Boykin committed a cardinal breach of political correctness by affirming that America is "a Christian nation." He also rightly observed that many Muslim terrorists hate America because we are a Christian nation. Predictably, these remarks have brought out the ire and chastisement of President Bush.

After learning of the general's remarks, Bush quickly appeared before a Muslim audience in Indonesia and soundly rebuked his statements. He said, "He (General Boykin) didn't reflect my opinion. Look, it (Boykin's remarks) just doesn't reflect what the (U.S.) government thinks."

By Bush's own words, he doesn't believe America is a Christian nation. Beyond that, he chose to stand alongside Muslims overseas when rebuking a Christian Army general who is proudly and faithfully serving his country and his Commander-in-Chief. It is painfully obvious that President Bush is willing to sacrifice any and all Christian patriots on the altar of political correctness.

It is one thing for President Bush to constantly distance himself from Christian convictions and doctrines. He wouldn't be the first President to do so. It is quite another thing, however, for Christians throughout America to continue to give him a pass for his many foibles under the charade that he is "one of us."

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: boykin; bush; bushandgod; carter; christianity; falwell; jerryvines; muslims; persecution; politicalcorrectness; pryor; rove; roymoore; williamboykink
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To: MississippiMan
No, you left out the part which proves your allegation false.
101 posted on 10/23/2003 7:17:06 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: alnick
No, you left out the part which proves your allegation false.

Then why don't you post that part?

MM

103 posted on 10/23/2003 7:18:26 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: alnick
You need to address the suction allegation. Is that now a no longer an available tool per this Bill or not? What is your opinion, putting aside that you did indeed score a oint that the Bill addresses both halves of the body of the fetus provided enough of either half is out?
104 posted on 10/23/2003 7:19:38 PM PDT by Torie
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To: JackRyanCIA
Good night!!!
105 posted on 10/23/2003 7:19:46 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: MississippiMan
it would certainly be legal to ram something through the top of the baby's skull just as soon as it crowns.

No, they ram something in at the base of the skull, which is why the entire skull has to be exposed. Look, I agree that PBA is horrible murder, but you don't seem to want to accept that the PBA ban addresses that particular problem. It does.

106 posted on 10/23/2003 7:19:56 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: MississippiMan
I did.
108 posted on 10/23/2003 7:20:55 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: rdb3
See what happens when you mess with the self-appointed guardians of the holy post?? Somebody here sounds more like Barney Fife than Jack Ryan.
109 posted on 10/23/2003 7:21:14 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: alnick
the entire skull has to be exposed

Cool, now where the rubber meets the road has been identified, and the debate can proceed over your asserted factoid. Well done. It is grand when progress through the mire is achieved. I of course don't have a clue whether alternative procedures can be effected to suck out the brain or not.

110 posted on 10/23/2003 7:24:16 PM PDT by Torie
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To: alnick
Yes I've read it...... thanks. The bill as I read it makes abortion prohibitive if the head is totally delivered in a normal head first delivery and if the body is delivered past the navel in a breech deliver.... In either of those two situations then it's prohibited to preform the overt act.

Now is the head isn't delivered totally in a head first delivery then as I read it the overt act can be preformed, if that's possible.... The same in a breech delivery if the delivery hasn't reached the navel then the overt act can be preformed...

Am I missing something.
111 posted on 10/23/2003 7:24:50 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: JackRyanCIA
LOL. Bye!
112 posted on 10/23/2003 7:25:32 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Torie
You need to address the suction allegation. Is that now a no longer an available tool per this Bill or not?

From what I can see, the word "suction" is not used, but the act does refer to "removing the baby's brains."

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(1) A moral, medical, and ethical consensus exists that the practice of performing a partial-birth abortion--an abortion in which a physician deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living, unborn child's body until either the entire baby's head is outside the body of the mother, or any part of the baby's trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother and only the head remains inside the womb, for the purpose of performing an overt act (usually the puncturing of the back of the child's skull and removing the baby's brains) that the person knows will kill the partially delivered infant, performs this act, and then completes delivery of the dead infant--is a gruesome and inhumane procedure that is never medically necessary and should be prohibited.

113 posted on 10/23/2003 7:26:32 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: deport
Now is the head isn't delivered totally in a head first delivery then as I read it the overt act can be preformed, if that's possible.... The same in a breech delivery if the delivery hasn't reached the navel then the overt act can be preformed... Am I missing something.

Well, the head is always punctured at the base of the skull, so in order to do that, the entire head would have to be exposed in a head-first delivery, and in a breach delivery, the baby would have to be partially delivered to a point where the base of the skull would be at least at the birth canal in order to access it.

114 posted on 10/23/2003 7:28:54 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: Theodore R.
Answer to Chuck - Yes.
115 posted on 10/23/2003 7:29:53 PM PDT by NordP (Peace through Strength)
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To: alnick
Well, let's assume you're right for a moment, even though you're not. (Current procedures do not require delivery of the entire head.) But let's say that the current way to perform a PBA is to deliver the entire head. Do you think they CAN'T just change the point at which they puncture the skull now? OF COURSE THEY CAN! Surely you agree that by the wording of this bill, a procedure of ramming something into the top of the skull as soon as the baby crowns, would NOT be banned. That's crystal clear. And if that be the case, WHY would the bill be written in such a manner that simply changing one little aspect of the procedure renders the bill irrelevant?

Why not make it clear that ANY kind of partial-birth abortion is banned? This isn't some tricky legalese we're talking about here. It's plain English, and anyone, certainly including abortionists, can see at first reading that all they have to do to circumvent the bill is make a slight change in the procedure. Again, WHY design a bill like this? Even after such a change, it's STILL a partial-birth abortion and still just as horrid, right?

MM

116 posted on 10/23/2003 7:30:20 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Theodore R.
..and I ask Chuck Baldwin to go suck an egg!
117 posted on 10/23/2003 7:31:46 PM PDT by anncoulteriscool
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To: alnick
Well, the head is always punctured at the base of the skull,


Always?......... The question now becomes will another procedure or method be developed or used?
119 posted on 10/23/2003 7:34:10 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: MississippiMan
I'm sure that the bill wasn't written in order to fool the population into thinking that PBA's have been banned when they actually haven't. They obviously defined it that way because that's the definition.
120 posted on 10/23/2003 7:34:45 PM PDT by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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