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Bush hails Islam to quell anti-US feelings (praises Islam as a religion of liberty and tolerance)
Daily Telegraph ^ | October 23, 2003 | Alex Spillius

Posted on 10/23/2003 1:24:13 PM PDT by Korth

President George W Bush went to Bali, site of the worst terrorist atrocity since the September 11 attacks, yesterday to praise Islam as a religion of liberty and tolerance.

Mr Bush's trip was an attempt to tackle anti-American sentiment in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.

At a press conference in Bali, where 202 people were killed when Islamic extremists linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda network blew up two packed nightclubs a year ago, Mr Bush said: "Terrorists who claim Islam as their inspiration defile one of the world's greatest faiths.

"Murder has no place in any religious tradition."

Mr Bush said he wanted to correct what he felt was a misconception that the war on terrorism was a cover for a war against Islam or that Americans thought all Muslims were terrorists.

He paid tribute to the victims of the Bali bombings and praised his host, President Megawati Sukarnoputri of Indonesia, for hunting down terrorists.

Three of the Bali bombers have been sentenced to death but critics have accused Indonesia's secular government of failing to explain the dangers of radical Islam to its people and to tackle militancy at its roots, especially in radical Muslim boarding schools.

Owing to security concerns, Mr Bush spent only four hours on the resort island and chose to remain at a hotel five minutes' drive from the airport where his meetings were held.

Flights were postponed throughout his visit and as he spoke, just yards from the Indian Ocean, warships could be seen patrolling offshore. Five thousand heavily armed police and troops backed up by sniffer dogs and bomb squad units were deployed.

The brevity of his trip underlined how much more dangerous Indonesia and South-East Asia have become since the boom era of the 1980s and early 1990s. When Ronald Reagan visited, he stayed three nights in Bali, hosted by the dictator Suharto.

Mr Bush made a point of meeting leaders of two moderate Muslim organisations which represent about 50 million of the 210 million population.

They pointed out that American policies in the Middle East were a root cause of terrorism and asked him to listen more to the rest of the world. "We told him US foreign policy should seek a new paradigm if the US wants to be respected by the world community and be safe," said Syafii Maarif, head of one of the groups, Muhammadiyah.

"It was an open and lively meeting which we did not expect."

Thousands of protesters - including Mrs Megawati's sister - gathered at an independence monument in the centre of the capital, Jakarta, to demonstrate against Mr Bush's visit,

Mr Bush arrived last night in Australia, the last stop on his six-day, six-nation tour.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apecsummit; bali; bush; freedom; indonesia; islam; liberty; muslims; religionofpeace; religionofpieces
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To: TADSLOS
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

That's right. And folks here don't seem to comprehend that a lot of the Al Qaeda terrorists that have been captured/killed have been thanks to predominantly Muslim governments (Pakistan, Yemen, Indonesia, even Saudi Arabia - finally!). The President knows what he's doing.

41 posted on 10/23/2003 2:09:57 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: alloysteel
Wahhabism and some of the more extreme passages that have been attributed to Mohammad.

These dudes definitely need to be taken out. They are the cancer that is destroying Islam from within and making it a danger to the rest of the world.

I remember an article a while ago about an ultra-orthodox Muslim sect. They lived well and peacefully in modern society and the women did not wear burkhas. They said they were following the letter and intent of the Quran, and had the passages to back it up. Now if only these guys could get that massive Saudi funding that is going to the Wahhabis.

42 posted on 10/23/2003 2:10:31 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Norse
"During the days of the Ottoman Empire, Christians and Jews alike would flee Christian Europe to live and work in the Ottoman Empire, because they had more religious and economic freedom there."

You gotta be sh*tting me, right? The Ottoman Empire was the most vicious, most barbaric, most anti Christian group of killers that ever existed. The Ottomans tried to attack and destroy Western Europe via the major naval battle of Lepanto, but fortunately were destroyed by the Christian fleet under Don Juan. Found on that Ottoman fleet were over 15,000 Christian slaves, who were forced to row the the Islamic warships against their own countrymen. Christians would flee Christian Europe to live with the Muslims? hahahahahahaha

43 posted on 10/23/2003 2:10:33 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Norse
Important note here: Bush never says at anytime that Islam is the way to the Father. He does not replace Christianity, he is not denying Christ.

He is wise to choose his battles. Seems to me he is setting them up to be one against the other, so maybe we won't have to be involved in policing a religion we want nothing to do with.
44 posted on 10/23/2003 2:12:49 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Desron13
Peaceful Muslims implicitly let the fanatics do the heavy lifting.
45 posted on 10/23/2003 2:13:06 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Hillary's book tour was a thermometer in the behinds of the Dim sheeple for a 2004 run.)
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To: TheCrusader
Found on that Ottoman fleet were over 15,000 Christian slaves, who were forced to row the the Islamic warships against their own countrymen.

I don't know if that's better or worse than being a slave in a Christian country ruled by a different denomination. Those were barbaric times, and slavery was the norm.

46 posted on 10/23/2003 2:13:32 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Korth
...or that Americans thought all Muslims were terrorists...

Yeah, George, 99.9999% of Muslims are giving the rest a bad name.

47 posted on 10/23/2003 2:15:56 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"In fact, one of the significant Jewish returns to the Holy Land was shortly after 1492, when Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain and the Ottoman Sultan Beyazid II took as many in as he could get, allowing some to settle in what is now Israel."

Most of these Jews sailed to Rome, where they were welcomed by the Pope. I'm curious as to where you got this information from?

48 posted on 10/23/2003 2:16:28 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Peaceful Muslims implicitly let the fanatics do the heavy lifting.

Peaceful Muslims need to get off their collective butts and start actively working to stop these fanatics or stop calling themselves peaceful.

But then again I didn't see too many Christians crying out when Charles Taylor was instituting Christian despotism in Liberia.

49 posted on 10/23/2003 2:17:32 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
"But then again I didn't see too many Christians crying out when Charles Taylor was instituting Christian despotism in Liberia."

Taylor is not part of a world wide philosophy.


50 posted on 10/23/2003 2:18:45 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Hillary's book tour was a thermometer in the behinds of the Dim sheeple for a 2004 run.)
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To: Geist Krieger
Excellent point. I would like to have someone name one single Islamic Country that is tolerant of non-islamic peoples.

And sorry "they dont kill them" doesnt constitute tolerance.
51 posted on 10/23/2003 2:19:29 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: John Beresford Tipton
very cool and very funny.
52 posted on 10/23/2003 2:20:10 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: pgkdan
Good grief...I HATE hearing him spout this BS!


I agree. Some say islam was a religion of peace, well, maybe it WAS. This is a holy war. Plain. Simple. To the point. Islamists have said as much (remember jihad?)

Maybe Bush just has to be diplomatic for some security reason or another. AS for me, I think all islamists should be immediately deported from this country - or watched very closely...
53 posted on 10/23/2003 2:20:59 PM PDT by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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To: All
I do not like it when he praises Islam. Just want to go on record as saying this.He didn't even have to comment on it!!
54 posted on 10/23/2003 2:21:32 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: alloysteel
"Islam may be a fine religion by which to plan one's life"

Which parts are good? The shoving the ass 5 times in the air a day for their allah? Brutalizing and keeping their women as 3rd class citizens? Or perhaps the unbelievably blatant commands to convert or kill the nonbelievers?

55 posted on 10/23/2003 2:22:26 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: antiRepublicrat
"There were also many Christians caught in the denominational wars, hunted as heretics, who welcomed the Muslims taking over North Africa in the 700-800s. It was better to live under Muslim rule than to be slaughtered by their own church."

Where the h@ll do you folks get your history from? There were no "denominational wars", as you call them, until after Martin Luther's revolt in the 16th century. In the 700 - 800's the Roman Empire was split between East and West, and the East was already being slowly gobbled up by the invading Islam. In fact, during this time frame the Islamic hordes invaded France and Charles Martel had to organize his armies to toss them out. Your 'history' is terrible.

56 posted on 10/23/2003 2:24:56 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Korth
This thread has sadly been taken over by a bunch of newbie islam lackeys.
57 posted on 10/23/2003 2:24:56 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: TADSLOS
Appearances are one thing. Actions are another. They routinely practice deception on us as a function of their "religion". We practice deception on them as a matter of practicality and necessity. There's alot of machinery turning in the background to fight islamic terror that relies on the Bush administration to take the public stance they do on islam.

I guess I just don't buy it. I don't remember the U.S. going out of its way to boost the public image of German efficiency or Japanese culture during World War II. I see no reason to treat a religion whose mullahs preace hatred and intolerance as sacrosanct.

The way things are now, the "peaceful and tolerant" elements of Islam are the fringe, and the bigoted jihadists are the mainstream on the global arena.

Just take a quick look at how many Islamic organizations vehemently denounce the Islamic regimes and Islamic terrorist organizations. Good luck in finding anything more stern than a tepid and highly-qualified objection...usually issued only months after the fact.

58 posted on 10/23/2003 2:24:56 PM PDT by Prime Choice (---] Stay the course -- Bush 2004 [---)
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To: Korth
This thread has sadly been taken over by some newbie islam lackeys.
59 posted on 10/23/2003 2:25:04 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: pgkdan
Bush and Clinton have at least one thing in common -- they're politicians. Virtually everything we hear or see from Bush for the next year will be carefully vetted and shaped to help get him elected, even if it doesn't make sense or is distorted. You won't vote against him just because he said Islam is a peaceful religion, but by golly some others might vote FOR him because he didn't act all nasty and stuff.
60 posted on 10/23/2003 2:27:49 PM PDT by kegler4
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