TERRI SCHIAVO MISSING - REMOVED FROM HOSPITAL W/O FAMILY'S CONSENT [Update: She's back at Hospice]

Bay News 9 TV - Florida | 10/22/03 | dandelion

[dandelion]

Terri's brother, Bobby, just reported that Terri is MISSING!! He has been waiting all day to see her, he got the green light, and she's gone...

News 9 reporter said she's gone back to hospice, but the family does not know where she is and has NO CONFIRMATION.

BREAKING...

[Annie03]

Here it is:

Agency to probe alleged spousal abuse of brain damaged woman
BY MICHAEL MARTINEZ AND PAT KAMPERT
Chicago Tribune
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - (KRT) - A state protection agency for disabled
persons on Wednesday was planning to launch an investigation into
alleged spousal abuse against Terri Schiavo, the severely brain
damaged woman whose feeding tube was reinserted this week after
intervention by the Florida Legislature and Gov. Jeb Bush.
The investigation by the Advocacy Center for Persons with
Disabilities, an agency mandated in states and funded by Congress,
could play a decisive role in a revived legal battle over who should
be the guardian of the 39-year-old Schiavo - her husband or her
parents.
Terri Schiavo was moved Wednesday for the second time in two days -
this time back to a Pinellas Park hospice where she was receiving
nourishment again through a feeding tube. Later, Robert Schindler,
her father, said he, his wife and son visited Schiavo for about 45
minutes.
The family was annoyed, Schindler said, that Schiavo had been moved
again from the hospital in nearby Clearwater where she had been
taken on Tuesday.
Schindler said he was happy to see his daughter, but "she looked to
me like a person who has the flu - (someone who would say) don't
bother me," He called his daughter "a really tired girl" and said he
was struck by some redness in her eyes.
Her parents had also been upset by the earlier decision of Michael
Schiavo, Terri Schiavo's husband and guardian, to bar them from
visiting her in the hospital in Clearwater.
"Nothing's different. It's been that way for 10 years," Schindler
said of the battle between his family and Michael Schiavo over
whether Terri Schiavo should be kept alive with a feeding tube or
should die. He made his comments outside the hospice, where Schiavo
had spent the past week after a court approved removal of her
feeding tube.
Even though lawmakers and Bush passed a law Tuesday authorizing the
reinsertion of the feeding tube, her husband has authority, as
guardian, to determine who is allowed to visit her.
The Schindler family has accused Michael Schiavo of abuse and
neglect as guardian, and the state protection agency's independent
investigation could play a major role in removal of the husband as
guardian - as well as shed light on how the husband managed funds
during the guardianship.
Terri Schiavo's husband and her parents have been estranged for a
decade while wrangling over her fate; her husband said that his wife
told him she didn't want extended life-support, but her parents have
disagreed and have sought to keep her connected to a feeding tube.
The law signed Tuesday by Bush requires the chief judge of Pinellas
County Circuit Court to begin proceedings to appoint an independent
guardian. The husband's attorney has called the law unconstitutional
and is expected to initiate a legal challenge.
The chief judge on Wednesday scheduled a Nov. 5 court hearing and
has recommended a public health professor at the University of South
Florida, Jay Wolfson, as the new guardian if the in-laws cannot
agree on a new guardian.
The governor's order of reinsertion of the feeding tube has bought
time for the advocacy center to conduct its investigation as to
whether Terri Schiavo has been a victim of abuse and neglect over
the past 10 years.
Under federal law, the agency is granted strong investigative
powers, including examining medical and court-sealed guardian
financial records, and its findings of abuse or neglect would be
conclusive and pre-emptive of any court or other agency
determination, said Patricia Anderson, an attorney for Terri
Schiavo's parents.
It was unclear Wednesday why the agency hadn't launched an
investigation earlier in the case of Terri Schiavo, who went into a
persistent vegetative state after a heart attack induced by a
misdiagnosed potassium imbalance in 1990. Her eyes are open, but she
is seriously brain damaged, according to doctors.
"They are referred to as the `big sharks´ in the disability field,"
Anderson said of the agency. "What we have here is a guardianship
system that discriminates against disabled people."
Richard LaBelle, an attorney and agency board member who is involved
in the investigation, said this week's events will aid the
investigation.
"I think to the extent that Terri is still alive and will be
receiving food and water - we think that's a positive development,"
he said.
LaBelle said he did not know how long the probe would take, saying
it depended on how much cooperation the agency receives in obtaining
Schiavo's medical records and access to individuals on both sides of
the court fight.
For his part, Michael Schiavo said Wednesday through his attorney
that he is outraged that the legislative and executive branches
would overturn a judge's order that had allowed him to have the
feeding tube removed from his wife.
"It was just an absolute trampling of her personal rights and her
dignity," Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, said Wednesday
on NBC's "Today." "We believe that a court sooner or later, we hope
sooner, will find this law to be unconstitutional."
Felos added it was "an absolute horrible tragedy for Terri Schiavo,
literally being abducted from her deathbed and her death process."
Terri Schiavo was already showing signs of organ failure, Felos
said. The attorney for the parents, however, said that Felos has no
medical background to make such a claim.
One legal expert, Marc Spindelman, an Ohio State University law
professor who specializes in death-and-dying issues, said much is
riding on what the advocacy center finds in its probe into claims by
Terri Schiavo's parents that her husband abused and neglected his
wife.
Those accusations have been strongly denied by Michael Schiavo and
his attorney.
"Should there be a determination that the allegations against
Michael Schiavo are factually supported, it might be the case that
the dispute gets resolved by more informal means," Spindelman said.
Some experts are viewing the case as if it's a foregone conclusion
that the courts will overturn the new law, under the assumption that
Bush, who is President Bush's brother, and the legislature overruled
the courts. But that is not necessarily true, said Andrew Koppelman,
a constitutional law expert at Northwestern University.
"I don't understand what separation of powers has to do with it," he
said. "Some law is going to govern how people behave toward (Terri)
tomorrow. The legislature has to have power to legislate today about
what we do tomorrow, and that power is not taken away by the fact
that the judiciary said something else yesterday."
Koppelman added that the legislature's action may have aided the
Schindlers' case.
"If there is a dispute about the constitutionality of the
legislation or anything else having to do with the appropriateness
of intervention, the court's first duty is to make sure neither side
suffers irreparable injury that couldn't be remedied by subsequent
litigation," he said.
Thus, the argument could be made that to remove nutrition and
hydration before the case winds it way through the courts would
cause Terri Schiavo to suffer "irreparable injury," experts said.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/7079354.htm

[floriduh voter]

Can't confirm but was told at the Vigil that Hospice is now owned by the government. Perhaps since Hospice owes Medicare a huge overpayment, there's a dummy corporation somewhere where all the money is, including Terri's.

[tutstar]

bet your bottom dollar....

FV said cops were all over the hospice....on duty cops right? Was it prearranged escort I wonder? seems strange now that I've thought about it a bit...

[Robert A Cook PE]

Hard to say.

I'd have o assume (since ALL medical is on a per day, per needle, per sheet of toilet paper basis, that the charge goes tot he insurance company (trust fund - supposedly, unless the lawyer/hospice director was bleeding BOTH Terri and the Hospice dry!) is "per day"

[pc93]

Michael Schiavo/George Felos are still keeping Terri hostage and keeping her family from being able to
see her. Now they took her out of the hospital and back to the hospice. Whatever
sick courts are involved in this matter have decided that Michael/Felos and
Terri's family have to agree on a Guardian Ad Litem within 5 days. Apparently
the person that is being suggested by the courts is pro-death. Can you tell me
how corrupt this is? Not only is the court suggested a pro-death advocate as
Guardian Ad Litem but Michael wants Terri dead and the courts are giving him a
say in picking a Guardian Ad Litem!??? Jeb, these death dealers are making a
mockery of our State of Florida. Why aren't your providing Terri with the
protection she needs to keep Michael/Felos, etc. from interfering with her
recovery? They are playing the same game as if Terri was a yo-yo which they can just do as they please with. This is so ridiculous it certainly
isn't funny. If you really are on the side of those who love Terri you will put
a stop to this madness and do everything in your power to punish those
responsible for attempted murder of Terri.

WE ARE PLEADING WITH YOU TO PROVIDE FURTHER PROTECTION FOR TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO
TO BE STABILIZED, HYDRATED, AND GIVEN NUTRITION WITHOUT THE INTERFERENCE OF MICHAEL
SCHIAVO OR GEORGE FELOS OR ANY DEATH ADVOCATES. RIGHT NOW MICHAEL AND FELOS ARE
CAUSING HARM TO TERRI AGAINST YOUR ORDERS. WE ALSO PLEAD THAT TERRI'S FAMILY GETS
TO BE WITH TERRI AT ALL TIMES THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE WITH HER WITHOUT INTERFERENCE
FROM MICHAEL SCHIAVO OR GEORGE FELOS, ETC. WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL MICHAEL SCHIAVO
AND GEORGE FELOS ARE PERMANENTLY YANKED FOREVER OUT OF TERRI'S LIFE. WILL WILL NOT
STOP PLEADING AND ACTING UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED.

DEMAND REHABILITATION FOR TERRI. IT IS HER RETAINED RIGHT!
(744.3215(1) retained rights of incapacitated persons.

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Legislative Assistants:
Sandra J. Bergman, John Laurance Reid and Gail R. Schwartz


Email:
geller.steven.web@flsenate.gov

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Haridopolos, Mike

District Offices:
2955 Pineda Causeway
Suite 215
Melbourne, FL 32940-7307
(321) 752-3131
SunCom 350-3131

Legislative Assistants:
Lori Scott, Lisa Peterson,
and Kelly Tyson

Secretary: Rosalind Clark

Email:
haridopolos.mike.web@flsenate.gov

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Hill, Anthony C."Tony", Sr.

District Office:
5600 New Kings Road
Suite 5
Jacksonville, FL 32209-2146
(904) 924-1646
FAX: (904) 924-1648
State-wide:
1-866-867-0289

Legislative Assistants:
Cynthia Appling, Valerie Chrispin and Deborah Parsons

Email:
hill.anthony.web@flsenate.gov

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Jones, Dennis L., D.C.

District Office:
8940 Seminole Blvd.
Seminole, FL 33772
(727) 549-6411
SunCom: 517-4531
FAX: (727) 549-6413
FAX SunCom: 517-4533

Legislative Assistants:
Betsy Collins, Doris Burns and Liada LaBonte

Email:
jones.dennis.web@flsenate.gov

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King, James E. "Jim", Jr.

Capitol Office:
Suite 409
The Capitol
404 South Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL
32399-1100
(850) 487-5030
SunCom 277-5030
Fax (850) 487-5368
Fax SunCom 277-5368

District Office:
Suite 108
9485 Regency Square Boulevard
Jacksonville, FL
32225-8145
(904) 727-3600
SunCom 841-3600
Fax (904) 727-3603
Fax SunCom 841-3603

Legislative Assistants: Kay Rousseau, Rebecca Stagg and Kelly Williams

District-wide:
1-888-861-9761

Email:
king.james.web@flsenate.gov

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Klein, Ron

District Office:
Suite 305A
3333 S. Congress Ave.
Delray Beach, FL 33445
(561) 274-4777
SunCom 264-1988
Fax (561) 279-1990

Legislative Assistants: Kelly Skidmore,
Brandon Biederman
and Felicia Putter

Email:
klein.ron.web@flsenate.gov

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Lawson, Alfred "Al", Jr.

Capitol Office:
Room 210
Senate Office Building
404 South Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL
32399-1100
(850) 487-5004
Suncom 277-5004

Legislative Assistants:
Melissa Durham, Deborah Fairhurst, Natoya Alee and Berta Kemp

Email:
lawson.alfred.web@flsenate.gov

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Lee, Tom

District Office:
915 Oakfield Drive
Suite E
Brandon, FL 33511
P. O. Box 2743
Brandon, FL 33509
(813) 744-8683
SunCom 512-2599
FAX (813) 744-8556
FAX SunCom 512-2597

Legislative Assistants: Ronald Pierce, Becky Simmons and Dee Fletcher

Email:
lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov

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Lynn, Evelyn J.

District Office:
140 South Atlantic Avenue, #201
Ormond Beach, FL 32176
(386) 676-4000
SunCom: 370-4000

Legislative Assistants:
Kathy Campbell, Linda Walker and Charlyn Thompson

3330 S.E. Maricamp Rd.
Ocala, FL 34471-6248
(352) 694-0160

Legislative Assistant:
Jeanne McIntosh

200 South 7th Avenue
Room 1-C
Palatka, FL 32177-4612
State-wide:
1-866-831-2665

Legislative Assistant:
Jeanne McIntosh

Email:
lynn.evelyn.web@flsenate.gov

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Margolis, Gwen

District Offices:
HSBC Bank Bldg.
301 41st Street, 3rd Floor
Miami Beach, FL 33140
(305) 535-5432
SunCom: 465-5432

Legislative Assistants:
Marisa Bluestone, Gwynne Gonzalez and Karen Simon

Email:
margolis.gwen.web@flsenate.gov

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Miller, Lesley "Les", Jr.

District Office:
Suite 302
2109 Palm Ave.
Tampa FL 33605
P.O. Box 5993
Tampa, FL 33675-5993
(813) 272-2831
SunCom 512-3700
FAX (813) 272-2833


Legislative Assistants: Randolph Kinsey, Wanda Beckham and Michael Kinsey

Email:
miller.lesley.web@flsenate.gov

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Peaden, Durell, Jr.

District Offices:
598 North Ferdon Blvd.
Crestview, FL
32536-2753
(850) 689-0556
SunCom 675-7930

Legislative Assistants: Roger Robinson and Ann McGraw

Unit E-103
744 E. Burgess Road
Pensacola, FL 32504
(850) 484-9898
SunCom 475-5556

Legislative Assistants: Susan Levine and Tammy Ford

Email:
peaden.durell.web@flsenate.gov

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Posey, Bill

District Office:
Suite 108
1802 S. Fiske Boulevard
Rockledge, FL
32955-3007
(321) 690-3484
SunCom 362-3484

Legislative Assistants: Patrick Gavin and
John Mac Iver

Email:
posey.bill.web@flsenate.gov

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Pruitt, Ken

District Offices:
Suite 200
1850 SW Fountainview Blvd.
Port St. Lucie, FL 34986-3443
(772) 344-1140
SunCom 222-4100
FAX (772) 344-4102
SunCom FAX 222-4102

Legislative Assistants: Elaine Keller, Carrie Lira and Ann Bolduc

Suite 211
222 South U.S. Hwy. 1 Tequesta, FL 33469
(561) 747-1166
SunCom 242-6922
FAX (561) 624-6923
SunCom FAX 242-6923

Legislative Assistant: Ginger Baldwin

Email:
pruitt.ken.web@flsenate.gov

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Saunders, Burt L.

District Offices:
Administration Building Suite 304
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112-4902
(239) 417-6220
SunCom 754-6220
FAX (239) 417-6223
FAX SunCom
754-6223

Legislative Assistant: Rebecca Kokkinos

Suite 310
1039 S.E. 9th Place
Cape Coral, FL
33990-3095
(239) 338-2777
SunCom 748-2777
FAX (239) 338-2779
FAX SunCom
748-2779

Legislative Assistant: Randi Rosete and Douglas Pile

Email:
saunders.burt.web@flsenate.gov

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Sebesta, Jim

District Office:
Gateway Corporate Center
Suite 319
9887 4th Street North
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
(727) 563-0377 or
(727) 217-7088
SunCom 513-5352
FAX (727) 217-7090
FAX SunCom 513-5354

Legislative Assistants:
Cheri Engala and
Sue Berfield

Hillsborough County: (813) 221-6044

Email:
sebesta.jim.web@flsenate.gov

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Siplin, Gary

District Office:
5020 Silver Star Road
Orlando, FL 32808
(407) 297-2071
SunCom: 326-2071
FAX: (407) 522-2153

Legislative Assistant:
Naomi Cooper, Sarah Caraballo and Monica Harris

Email:
siplin.gary.web@flsenate.gov

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Smith, Rod

District Office:
Suite 2A
2727 N.W. 43rd Street
Gainesville, FL 32606
(352) 375-3555
SunCom 625-6260

District-wide:
1-866-778-2300

Legislative Assistants: Tonya Shays, Pat Shays, Mike Murtha, Nancy Williams and Elizabeth Dobbin

Email:
smith.rod.web@flsenate.gov

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Villalobos, J. Alex

District Office:
Suite 202-A
2350 Coral Way
Miami, FL
33145-3500
(305) 222-4160
SunCom 479-4160

Legislative Assistants: Vicky Romaguera-Garcia, Norma Ledesma and Nanea Marcial

Email:
villalobos.alex.web@flsenate.gov

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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie

District Office:
Building B, Second Floor
10100 Pines Blvd.
Pembroke Pines, FL 33026-3900
(954) 704-2934
(305) 919-7838
SunCom 430-2934
FAX (954) 704-2936
FAX SunCom 430-2936

Legislative Assistants: Julia Lopes, Judith Knopp
and Mayte Canino

Email:
schultz.debbie.web@flsenate.gov

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Webster, Daniel

District Office:
315 South Dillard Street
Winter Garden, FL 34787
(407) 656-0066
SunCom 326-2062
FAX (407) 297-2064

Legislative Assistants: Ann Drawdy and
Cindy Brown

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Wilson, Frederica S.

District Office:
18425 N.W. 2nd Avenue
Suite 310
Miami, FL 33169
(305) 654-7150
FAX: (888) 284-8589

Legislative Assistants:
Joan Glickman and Patricia Lightfoot

Secretary: Tyrone McIntosh


Email:
wilson.frederica.web@flsenate.gov

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Wise, Stephen R.

District Office:
3520-2 Blanding Boulevard
Jacksonville, FL
32210-5253
(904) 573-4900
SunCom 884-4900
FAX (904) 573-3989
FAX SunCom 884-3989

Statewide:
1-866-365-2124

Legislative Assistants:
Dee Alexander, Cheryl Almond and Barbara Fuller

Email:
wise.stephen.web@flsenate.gov

Please act now.

Juan Schoch
Concerned Florida Resident
United States Citizen

Refer to these links:

http://www.terrisfight.org
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/FedCourtDktCaseNo8_03-cv-1860-T-26TGW.txt

[LADY J]

"http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/7079354.htm They are FINALLY investigating Michael Schiavo. Praise God and everyone who's fought for Terri"

What a great find!! Thanks for posting this.

[floriduh voter]

Terri was missing. Her brother was told that Terri was gone and he didn't know what was going on. Nobody was telling them anything. I'm sure at that point, Terri was missing.

[tutstar]

you're very welcome!

[Future Useless Eater]

>>In addition, he received $300,000 for pain and suffering and loss of consortium.

Apparently $300,000 goes a long way toward finding new consortium!

[tutstar]

well there was a freeping of CNN earlier about calling her comatose...LOL

[longtermmemmory]

Attorney at litem can not be denied access.

[floriduh voter]

You know what's wrong with the executive order? A doctor with reasonable judgment. Sounds too much like reasonable doubt.

[The Red Zone]

In addition, he received $300,000 for pain and suffering

Let's make Mikey earn every dime

[Annie03]

Sorry for the reprint of the article, someone beat me to it while I was doing copy/paste.

[Gelato]

BayNews9 Radio just had an update

Terri arrived at hospice at 8:30 pm….being feed presently…

Schindlers’ lawyer: “I spoke with Terri, she responded to my face….”

http://www.baynews9.com/site/Radio.cfm

[cyn]

It's all about Michael.

Why didn't those doctors insist on going in, that their patient was in there and they needed to see her? For that matter, why didn't I go in the other day, a woman with a mission?

I was told later by a LE friend that it likely would be a misdemeanor, trespassing. Anyone know? "We must obey God rather than men" . . . or bullies.

have last info.

[tutstar]

We also need the list of those who voted nay...especially if you're a female you can mention it when you call....(i'm feminine not a feminist)

[SendShaqtoIraq]

"I was thinking of the Biblical description of family."

Nowhere in the Bible does it say your parents and siblings are no longer your family just because you got married.

[sweetliberty]

Here's a link to a brief synopsis I posted of the case last night.