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Sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad will be represented by defense lawyers
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Posted on 10/22/2003 7:11:19 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

Sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad ends his self-representation and will be represented by defense lawyers.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; US: Virginia
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1 posted on 10/22/2003 7:11:19 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000
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To: sonsofliberty2000
I just heard this on CNN & MSNBC.

The judge may have gotten sick of Muhammed "representing" himself--with the lawyers feeding him questions and telling him what to object to.

2 posted on 10/22/2003 7:13:21 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Agreed. He seemed to think he could have it both ways. The man truly is a control freak.
3 posted on 10/22/2003 7:15:29 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: sonsofliberty2000
They have a fool for a client.
4 posted on 10/22/2003 7:16:06 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Of course, what will the judge do when once again things aren't going the way he likes, and Mohammed tries to again represent himself?
5 posted on 10/22/2003 7:17:12 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java; Semper Paratus
Ain't America grand?
6 posted on 10/22/2003 7:17:17 AM PDT by HiJinx
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To: Semper Paratus
Well they are better then the total moron he used to have for a lawyer.
7 posted on 10/22/2003 7:17:52 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000 (I am the armchair activist. Flamesuit ready, Dr. Pepper flowing. Able to post in a single click.)
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To: Catspaw
Waaaiiitttt a minute.

I always heard that once you decide to represent yourself & the trail begins you CAN'T then say "oh, sorry. I have changed my mind". It's kind of like when ya choose a trial by jury, then part way through you feel it's not going your way, so you then call for a trial by Judge.

Any Lawyers out there care to shed some light on this?

8 posted on 10/22/2003 7:25:12 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
I always heard that once you decide to represent yourself & the trail begins you CAN'T then say "oh, sorry. I have changed my mind". It's kind of like when ya choose a trial by jury, then part way through you feel it's not going your way, so you then call for a trial by Judge.

In this case, it wasn't Muhammed who said, "oh, sorry, I have changed my mind." It was the judge who said, "nope, you're not going to represent yourself anymore."

9 posted on 10/22/2003 7:29:23 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
It was the judge who said, "nope, you're not going to represent yourself anymore."

But, isn't that the same kind of instance? I mean, could a judge do that in the case of a trial by jury....suddenly decide that the juy's not doing it's job & decide to render the verdict himself?

In both cases it would be going against the legal wishes of the accused.

10 posted on 10/22/2003 7:34:23 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Sorry to hear that.

His defense attorneys are quite good and I would hate to see him not get the justice that he deserves below:


11 posted on 10/22/2003 7:38:40 AM PDT by BillF (Support Our Troops http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004809/posts)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Oh man! And I just sat down for possibly the funniest court trial ever.

Classic opening statement from Mohammed, "There are three truths you will hear: The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth." I laughed so hard almost lost control of the car when it was read.
12 posted on 10/22/2003 7:49:21 AM PDT by sully777 (Ad absurdum)
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To: BillF; sonsofliberty2000; yall

13 posted on 10/22/2003 7:53:53 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: sully777
It may have been funny to some watching but it was painful for the victim's family to have take the stand and be asked questions by the very guy who did the killing. I saw an interview on FOX with the victim's nephew and he told how very surreal the whole situation was with Muhammad defending himself. I'm happy for the family the judge made this call.
14 posted on 10/22/2003 7:56:56 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Puppage
In this case, it WAS the wishes of the accused that he stop representing himself. To avoid a reversal at the court of appeals, the judge did the right thing:

VIRGINIA BEACH, Oct. 22--Accused sniper John Allen Muhammad, who stunned court personnel when he decided to represent himself in his capital murder trial, changed his mind this morning and decided to reenlist his experienced trial attorneys.

Following a 28-minute bench conference, Prince William County Circuit Court Judge LeRoy F. Millette Jr. told jurors, "Mr. Muhammad believes it is no longer in his best interest to represent himself in this trial."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64367-2003Oct22.html

15 posted on 10/22/2003 7:57:22 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: sully777
Let me go back, rather it was painful for the victim's family to actually watch Muhammad handle the weapons in court.
16 posted on 10/22/2003 7:59:07 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Catspaw
This seems to be another judge willing to let the accused run the courtroom as he sees fit.
17 posted on 10/22/2003 8:01:00 AM PDT by clintonh8r (A gentleman should know something about everything and everything about something.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
From The Dallas Morning News ...


Sniper suspect ends stint as his own lawyer

09:57 AM CDT on Wednesday, October 22, 2003

Associated Press

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. – Sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad changed his mind Wednesday and ceased acting as his own lawyer.

Circuit Judge LeRoy F. Millette Jr. informed the jury of Muhammad's decision after a half-hour conference at the judge's bench. Jonathan Shapiro and Peter Greenspun, who had been advising him on standby since his decision Monday, returned to their former roles as his defense lawyers.

Muhammad stunned the judge and even his own attorneys on Monday when he demanded the right to represent himself just as opening arguments were to begin in his death penalty trial.

Prosecutors on Tuesday had complained about Muhammad's self-representation, even asking at one point for the judge to rescind it. They said Muhammad was receiving too much help from Shapiro and Greenspun, whose role as standby counsel was supposed to be limited.

Millette ordered Muhammad to physically distance himself from the two lawyers to minimize communications between them.

Still, Millette had said on Tuesday that Muhammad had been representing himself competently.

On Wednesday, Millette told the jury that Muhammad had made the decision himself to revert to Greenspun and Shapiro as his attorneys.

With Greenspun and Shapiro again serving as counsel Wednesday, Greenspun launched a series of objections during the testimony of Chris Okupski of Trenton, N.J., who sold Muhammad the Chevy Caprice prosecutors believe was the vehicle used in the sniper spree.

Greenspun won many of his objections, something that happened only rarely while Muhammad represented himself.

Muhammad is on trial on murder charges related to the killing of Dean Harold Meyers at a northern Virginia gasoline station during the spree last October that left 10 people dead.

Muhammad's decision to represent himself had created the awkward situation Tuesday as he cross-examined one of his alleged victims, restaurant owner Paul J. LaRuffa of Clinton, Md.

LaRuffa survived a gunshot wound to the chest Sept. 5, 2002, as he closed up his restaurant. He was robbed of $3,600 and a laptop computer, which prosecutors say helped finance the sniper spree the following month. The computer was found in Muhammad's car when he was arrested.

Muhammad began questioning LaRuffa on Tuesday by saying he meant no disrespect and that "I understand how you feel when your life is on the line." Muhammad was admonished for making that statement, which the judge said was gratuitous.

After court, LaRuffa described the cross-examination as surreal.

"It's from the twilight zone," LaRuffa said. "Defendants aren't supposed to question you, and that's what happened."


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/102203dnnatsniper.99df5.html

18 posted on 10/22/2003 8:05:52 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing; Jimmy Valentine's brother; sauropod; L_Von_Mises; Doctor Raoul
MNM, nice shirt.

One or more of the other FReepers that I pinged will probably be at DC Chapter's rally and counter-protest to ANSWER this Saturday wearing their "FRY MUMIA" T-shirts. Drives the leftists crazy. OK, would you believe that it drives them even more crazy than usual?

19 posted on 10/22/2003 8:12:09 AM PDT by BillF (Support Our Troops http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004809/posts)
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To: sonsofliberty2000; newgeezer
I can't understand how they can find anyone to defend a scumbag like this.

Yo Geeze, check out the chick with the shirt.
20 posted on 10/22/2003 8:14:37 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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