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'I wish Eighty or Ninety Jews Would Die with each Bomb'
JewishComment.com ^ | Saturday 11th Oct 2003 | Editors

Posted on 10/21/2003 7:46:46 AM PDT by Jacob Kell

On Thursday evening we went to Marks & Spencer department store. On the way, the bus conductor wanted it known to the passengers that he was Moroccan. He went from seat to seat making a point of greeting passengers in Arabic, and animatedly chatting with women in traditional Muslim clothes.

He did make a point of grunting to those of us who were, shall we say, ‘traditional locals.’ We did not feel slighted but as we approached Oxford Street he went to the front of the bus and told those of us seated at that end of the vehicle that ‘Marks and Spencer sell things and then send the money to the Jewish.’ He then said what one assumes was a similar piece of useful information to a Muslim woman and both became rather agitated. The bus driver, a white-haired London Buses oldtimer of decades standing, leaned out of his cab and with considerable irritation lectured the conductor on the history of the Holocaust and of the ‘Jewish.’ As we were leaving the bus I could hear the driver and conductor arguing ; the latter reminding the Englishman that all Marks and Spencer money goes to the ‘Zionist murderers.’

We then found ourselves in Oxford Street and outside ‘M&S,’ as it is affectionately known, was a contingent of policemen and women who were protecting a small group of young Jewish men who had set up a table with an Israeli flag. The men were further protected by a substantial metal barrier, to separate them from what can only be described as an hysterical crowd of hate-filled people of every shape and size. What was so depressing was that non-Arabs in the noisy crowd outnumbered those from the Middle East.

(Let me explain the background : for years Palestinian groups have had a stall outside Marks & Spencer to protest the history of the Sieff family and to stop people from shopping at a store that stocks Israeli goods. The Palestinian young people are never attacked, and when Jews approach them the most that happens is a lively discussion. To a lesser extent its neighbour store, Selfridges, has had leafletters outside for years protesting the presence of Israeli wines on its shelves. One day last year I went into Selfridges and accosted the first couple I saw. They said they agreed with the Palestinian leafletters and thought no ‘Zionist apartheid’ goods should be sold anywhere in the UK. When I asked this otherwise charming English pair where they had learned the word ‘apartheid’ in relation to Israel they said they had read about it in The Independent and had seen ‘atrocities on the BBC.’)

Back to Thursday: I began to pick up snippets of shouts from this viscerally angry crowd. One woman in religious Muslim attire standing next to me -- actually jumping up and down -- screamed at the top of her voice to the Israel supporters, ‘You Jews destroyed my country, Iraq.’ Someone asked her what Israel had to do with Iraq and she screeched ‘You killed sixty of my family in Iraq.’ She was asked how sixty Iraqis were killed by Israelis and she said ‘Israel -USA! Same thing! And now you will take over Iran!’ She became so agitated that she had to be led away by the police.

Then came the chorus of really quite terrifyingly angry English people with their shouted mantras of ‘You people invented terrorism in Palestine.;’ ‘Israel is expanding every day and will soon own the whole Middle East!!’; (doh???) ; ‘Israel is slaughtering thousands of Palestinians every day.’ (Again, doh?)

But the crowning glory was an elegantly-dressed businessman next to me who seemed normal except for the fury in his eyes. He said, ‘I love and revere the suicide bombers. Every time I hear of a suicide bomb going off I wish it had been eighty or ninety Jews instead of a pitiful handful.’ He then went on to shout at everyone around him every time someone tried to speak, and had reached a point of hysteria -- ‘You people have been trying to acquire land across the entire globe and will soon own every nation if you are not stopped!’ -- when, thankfully, a policewoman came over. One can think of some poeple who, had they been armed, would be in prison tonight because his suggestion that not enough Jews are killed each time a bomb goes off ‘made one crazy’ as the saying goes, but we were pleased to see that the policewoman was making every effort to book him.

(Imagine how far he would have got had he said such things in New York or Washington about Americans!)

What does this tell us about British society? Pim Fortuyn was assassinated because he expressed what were considered to be extremist views about the rise of Islam across Europe and in his native Holland. We have no objection to ethnic diversity but we are sickened when we see British and Arab people united in such blood-curdling hatred of one very tiny minority. (Lest we forget Jews are now outnumbered ten to one by Muslims in the UK.) What alarms us is the profoundly visceral hatred shown by the crowd on Thursday towards a mild-looking group of young Jewish men and bystanders supporting them.

Does this mean, as Melanie Phillips has said so often in the British press this year, that Britain is no longer a place where Jews may live without fear? Yes, we think it does. Our liberal friends will say that the actions of the Sharon government are making life hell for Diaspora Jews. Well, here is the crucial point: when Yitzhak Rabin was making peace and Israel was booming -- and the Palestinian territories were beginning to flourish -- terror bombs were exploding as often as during the dark days and way back then, one's British hosts were saying the same unspeakable things about ’you people invented terrorism in Palestine' and 'hopefully in the next war Israel will be taight a lesson it won't forget...'

Sadly, we believe anti-Semitism is endemic in the world at large. We feel that our own spiritual home is the United States ( we have given up trying to explain to European Jews why we feel as free and proud as Jews in the USA as we do in Israel ), but were we as young as the men on the Israel stall on Thursday we would make aliyah. NOW.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemites; antisemitism; britain; europeanunion; islamists; israel; limeys; morocco; nato; nazis; neonazis; unitedkingdom; wahhabis; wahhbism; waronterror
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To: Mears
"I must spend money at Marks and Spencer the next time I go to London"

That was my first thought. Of course I've never been to London. Maybe I'll save the money and spend it on next summer's trip to Israel.

21 posted on 10/21/2003 10:25:27 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
retribution? it went missing after 9/11 and would be nonexistent if it ever again happened in the US.
we cannot forget the mantra "islam is a religion of peace....this isn't a war against the muslim religion" blah, blah, blah... only hours after the outrage.
i would never believe there would ever be any discourse among ANYONE in civilized society of how our policies in the mideast, justified the monstrous behavior of the "islam is a religion of peace" apologists.
this is a war against a minority in islam, unfortunately it amounts to 100's of millions of muslims.
22 posted on 10/21/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: FeliciaCat
"I only met ONE Londoner who said otherwise. I must also say this was not the case when I travelled to North England ..people seemed much more thoughtful and balanced in their views."

Probably because London is a big city, and is infested with all kinds of left-wing Commie eggheads. Also, there is no doubt a large Moslem immigrant population.

"I have also noticed many of my Irish friends here in NY seem to be VERY pro-palestinian. Weird."

Probably not very weird if you think about it. I mean many of them supported the IRA, a bunch of murderous trash. They probably swallowed too much IRA pro-Palestinian propaganda.

23 posted on 10/21/2003 11:28:57 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (Be-bop-allulah, fu** the Khomeini. Be-bop-allulah, I don't mean maybe.)
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To: cookcounty
Visit London on your way to Israel,it's a wonderful city.

I'll do anything for the UK,I remember Tony Blair and his loyalty to us last spring.
24 posted on 10/21/2003 12:41:24 PM PDT by Mears
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; Paved Paradise; Mr. Mojo; Thinkin' Gal; Bobby777; adam_az; Alouette; ...
the latter reminding the Englishman that all Marks and Spencer money goes to the “Zionist murderers.”
25 posted on 10/22/2003 9:10:00 AM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Capt. Tom
How the Jews in Israel can be so factionalized about people who are murdering them almost on a daily basis is beyond me.

They aren't. That's why far left wing Labor has lost the last 2 Knesset elections there, and why Shinui, a center-right little-l libertarian party is now the #2 behind #1 Likud, which is a conservative party.
26 posted on 10/22/2003 9:34:19 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Capt. Tom
Our last Secretary of State was a Jew

Just a point of information- Albright never admitted to being born Jewish. She hid this infomation about her heritage until it was exposed later in her tenure. She also had disavowed her connection to Judaism in any form before and after this was made public.

27 posted on 10/22/2003 9:37:48 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: veronica
The rise in anti-semitism is directly linked to the infestation of Islamofascism in European countries...

I agree but must also add that the blame for this can be placed squarly on the media. Its one-sided, partisan distortion of the facts only helps to inflame the hatred.

28 posted on 10/22/2003 9:44:07 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Britain is no longer a place where Jews may live without fear?

Next Canada and then, inevitably, the US. Koch said a Jew would have to he crazy to vote for Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson. I'll elaborate. Jews are crazy voting for any Democrat. I'm not a Jew. I'm not a Democrat.

29 posted on 10/22/2003 9:45:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay and Idi-ay are ead-day)
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To: Jacob Kell
We do the same thing here.

Condi Rice, on cue from Carl Rove and Colon Powell I'm sure, has again been mouthing Bush's mistatements about Islam being the "religion of peace" on TV.

The U.S. had better stop all immigration from Islamic countries and start treating Islam the same way we treated Communism in the 1950s and 1960s and Naziism in the 1940's or we are finished.

Even our "pals" the Pakistanis are apparently selling nuclear weapons to the Wahhabist fanatics in Saudi Arabia.

Only quick, united action by all non-Islamic Countries can stop the impending destruction of the world by fanatics with nuclear weaponry.

Do our leaders really believe this pap about Islam being a peaceful religion?

Is this political hay for the voting minority Muslim crowd?

Do our leaders think the American public is really stupid enough and politically correct enough to swallow this ignorance??

Do our leaders think the Egyptians, Saudis, Palestinians, Iranians, etc will hate us any the less for these stupid grovleing lies???

What goes here?
30 posted on 10/22/2003 9:46:26 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Jacob Kell
btttttttttttttttttt
31 posted on 10/22/2003 12:24:30 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Alouette
Somalis aren't Arab.
33 posted on 11/25/2003 12:29:46 AM PST by Restorer
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To: england_boi
Please try to go to some good public library and read the history of anti-Semitism in England.

Englad expelled the Jews living within its borders in the 11th or 12th century and they were NOT allowed to return until the late 17th ( or perhaps the 18th ) century. Disraeli might have been a beloved, by some , PM, but his detractors called him nasty names, even though he had become a Christian as a boy.The present Queen Elizabeth's father was a HUGE anti-Semite. These are but a few snippets of English history, concerning the Jews of Great Britan...there's quite a lot more! Oh, and yes, there are still some Brits who are antiSemites and not just the Muslim ones.

35 posted on 11/25/2003 12:34:55 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Cromwell allowed the Jews to return to England in 1655.
36 posted on 11/25/2003 12:41:33 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Thanks, it's late and the little grey cells a a wee blury re dates. LOL
38 posted on 11/25/2003 12:43:40 AM PST by nopardons
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To: england_boi
The US was largely isolationist up to Pearl Harbor. Pro-Nazi groups were at best fringe elements. Most Americans just thought they could stay out of someone else's fight. That's hardly pro-Nazi.

The idea that the US at the time had enough of a coherent policy to intentionally delay entering the war was ludicrous. FDR was desperately (and often illegally) trying to drag the US in, against strong congressional opposition. Only Pearl Harbor broke the logjam.
40 posted on 11/25/2003 12:46:20 AM PST by Restorer
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