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Hundreds of Vietnamese villagers slain by U.S. in 1967, soldiers say
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 20 OCT 03 | AP Staff Writer

Posted on 10/20/2003 1:36:36 PM PDT by dts32041

TOLEDO, Ohio -- An elite unit of American soldiers killed hundreds of unarmed villagers in 1967 during the Vietnam War, and an Army investigation was closed with no charges filed, the Toledo Blade reported Sunday.

Soldiers of the Tiger Force unit of the Army's 101st Airborne Division dropped grenades into bunkers where villagers -- including women and children -- hid, and shot farmers without warning, the Ohio newspaper reported.

Soldiers told the Blade that they severed ears from the dead and strung them on shoelaces to wear around their necks.

The Army's 41/2-year investigation, never before made public, was initiated by a soldier outraged at the killings.

The probe substantiated 20 war crimes by 18 soldiers and reached the Pentagon and White House before it was closed in 1975, the Blade said.

William Doyle, a former Tiger Force sergeant now living in Willow Springs, Mo., said he killed so many civilians in 1967 he lost count.

''We didn't expect to live. Nobody out there with any brains expected to live,'' he told the newspaper. ''The way to live is to kill because you don't have to worry about anybody who's dead.''

In an eight-month investigation, the Blade reviewed thousands of classified Army documents, National Archive records and radio logs and interviewed former members of the unit and relatives of those who died.

Tiger Force, a unit of 45 volunteers, was created to spy on forces of North Vietnam in South Vietnam's central highlands.

The Blade said it is not known how many Vietnamese civilians were killed.

Records show at least 78 were shot or stabbed, the newspaper said. Based on interviews with former Tiger Force soldiers and Vietnamese civilians, it is estimated the unit killed hundreds of unarmed people, the Blade said.

Army spokesman Joe Burlas said Sunday that only three Tiger Force members were on active duty during the investigation. He said their commanders, acting on the advice of military attorneys, determined there was not enough evidence for successful prosecution.

The only way to prosecute the soldiers was under court-martial procedures, which apply only to active military members, Burlas said.

Investigators took 400 sworn statements from witnesses, Burlas said. Some supported one another and some conflicted, he said.

According to the Blade, the rampage began in May 1967. No one knows what set it off. Less than a week after setting up camp in the central highlands, soldiers began torturing and killing prisoners in violation of American military law and the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the newspaper said.

Sgt. Forrest Miller told Army investigators the killing of prisoners was ''an unwritten law.''

Other soldiers said they sought revenge in the villages after unit members were killed and injured during sniper and grenade attacks.

''Everybody was bloodthirsty at the time, saying, 'We're going to get them back,''' former medic Rion Causey of Livermore, Calif., told the Blade.

Soldiers often cited conflicting views of commanders as a reason they killed unarmed people. Some commanders told investigators that civilians could be targeted in certain circumstances; others said they could never be attacked.

The atrocities carried out by the unit came just months before the killing of about 500 Vietnamese civilians by an Army unit in 1968 at My Lai.

In the years after that, top military officials promised to take war crime accusations seriously. But records from the Tiger Force case show that didn't happen, the Blade said.

The newspaper found that commanders knew about the platoon's atrocities and in some cases encouraged the soldiers to continue the violence. Two soldiers who tried to stop the attacks were warned by their commanders to remain quiet before transferring to other units, according to military records.

Former platoon members still could be prosecuted or sanctioned by the Army, but legal experts say that's unlikely because of the time that has elapsed.

AP


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: bestandvrightest; draftees; liars; vietnam; war
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To: dts32041
It was Reagan's fault.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 1:59:50 PM PDT by Freakazoid (Freaking zoids since 1998.)
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To: meyer
Yeah, about 46 years late.

Whoops! What I meant to say was 36 years late. Dang public schools...

22 posted on 10/20/2003 2:00:45 PM PDT by meyer
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To: b4its2late
The story originated in some little paper in Toledo. The Sun Times picked it up. Personally I think people try to draw too many connections where non exist.

The article doesn't even mention Iraq. If it said something like "there is nowthe fear that simmilar things may occur in Iraq given the frustration that American soliders feel as a result of coming under constant attack," then you would have a point.
23 posted on 10/20/2003 2:02:16 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: dts32041
I think most specialized units during the Vietnam war were all volunteer. Provisional LRP/LRRP and then Ranger took only volunteers. Hackworth formed a "Tiger Force" but I thought that was more along the lines of several hundred men, not 45 as the article mentions...maybe not the same unit.

Regardless, this is a hit piece aimed at degrading the military and those that serve/served with honor.

24 posted on 10/20/2003 2:03:29 PM PDT by in the Arena (Richard Thomas Kastner - KIA - Phuoc Long, South Vietnam - 15 November 1969)
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To: quark
The media will find atrocities in Iraq soon.
25 posted on 10/20/2003 2:05:23 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Hillary's book tour was a thermometer in the behinds of the Dim sheeple.)
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To: onedoug
I believe one of the sayings from that era of Vietnam was : "Kill em' all and let God sort them out !"
26 posted on 10/20/2003 2:05:25 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: in the Arena
Link to Toledo Blade articles on the Army's investigation of the Tiger Force. Has lots of quotes from the military participants, some of whom admitted to killing civilians and cutting off ears to make necklaces.
27 posted on 10/20/2003 2:08:18 PM PDT by berserker
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To: Renegade
'Never subscribed to it personally. Thanks.
28 posted on 10/20/2003 2:08:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: OneTimeLurker
Next thing you know they will implement Max Klinger in this, btw the blade is the main paper in Toledo.
29 posted on 10/20/2003 2:13:12 PM PDT by dts32041 (Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
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To: dts32041
the Toledo Blade reported Sunday.

Is this a gay newspaper?
Is it edited by a guy from Toledo named "Klinger"?

30 posted on 10/20/2003 2:15:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dts32041
Beat me to it, lol.
31 posted on 10/20/2003 2:16:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; OneTimeLurker
The story originated in some little paper in Toledo.

Book review: 'The Publisher: Paul Block: A Life of Friendship and Politics' by Frank Brady

The Toledo Blade and The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (and a variety of other media outlets) are owned by Block Communications.

The Block Family have been lefties for a long, long time.

32 posted on 10/20/2003 2:34:18 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: dts32041
Is there any way to find out if any of these guys belong to Veterans for Peace or Veterans for Peace and Anti-Capitilism?
33 posted on 10/20/2003 2:39:23 PM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: caisson71
As a VietNam vet during '67-'68, I can say that 'killing of prisoners was an "unwritten law"' is catagorically false. The article portrays soldiers in VietNam as no more than lawless bandits.

The article only refers to the "Tiger Force unit of the Army's 101st Airborne Division", not the whole of the Army.

34 posted on 10/20/2003 2:55:27 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: in the Arena
Hackworth formed a "Tiger Force"

Odd they wouldn't either distinguish his unit from or credit him with oversight of this Tiger Force.

35 posted on 10/20/2003 3:56:59 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: what's up
Exactly! And .. this is to smear our military .. THIS WAS NOT A GOOD CHOICE.

Like I said .. the dems are overplaying their hand.
36 posted on 10/20/2003 4:01:30 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: secretagent
"The article only refers to the "Tiger Force unit of the Army's 101st Airborne Division", not the whole of the Army."

I submit that the army was composed of many volunteers, especially each battalion's reconnaissnace platoons, who wanted to take the fight to the enemy without committing war crimes.


37 posted on 10/20/2003 4:13:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: b4its2late; quark; areafiftyone; onedoug; capydick; meyer; Steve_Seattle; At _War_With_Liberals; ...
Just a quick update ping. This evening, NPR ran this story in all three hours of its news. This makes this story's timing and intent all the more suspicious.
38 posted on 10/20/2003 4:20:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: b4its2late; quark; areafiftyone; onedoug; capydick; meyer; Steve_Seattle; At _War_With_Liberals; ...
Just a quick update ping. This evening, NPR ran this story in all three hours of its news. This makes this story's timing and intent all the more suspicious.
39 posted on 10/20/2003 4:20:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
A few news outlets are subsequently reporting that US soldiers might be guilty of crimes in Iraq... I see more of this coming in the next few days.
40 posted on 10/20/2003 4:47:50 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Hillary's book tour was a thermometer in the behinds of the Dim sheeple.for a 2004 run.)
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