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"Another War With Mexico?"
ChronWatch ^ | October 19, 2003 | Robert KleinĀ Engler

Posted on 10/19/2003 1:48:02 PM PDT by quidnunc

At the time of the first Mexican-American War, there were strains in Mexican as well as American society that parallel the strains in both societies today. Most importantly, the Mexican government at that time was split between the Federalists and the Centralists. The Centralists favored an autocratic government and wanted to regain the lost territory of Texas, whereas the Federalists we more in favor of democratic reforms.

In the United States, the major strain was between the liberal Abolitionists who feared that Texas would become a slave holding state, and the Nationalists who envisioned America stretching ''from sea to shining sea.'' It may be helpful to look again at some of this history to see if we can understand what the future may hold for these two countries.

People on both sides of the Mexican/U. S. border have to be reminded that Mexico has a different history from the United States. The indigenous Aztecs practiced such cannibalism and human sacrifice that it shocked even the brutal Spanish conquistadors. Mexico has yet to repudiate its Aztec past the way the Germans repudiated their Nazi past.

The 1910 revolution in Mexico was no stroll down the Paseo de la Reforma, either. One just has to read Martin Luis Guzman's book The Eagle and the Serpent, to realize how bloody that revolution was. Although military casualties were high on both sides of the American War Between the States, civilian casualties were much higher during the Mexican Revolution.

Mexican culture is also different from American culture. An example of one important cultural difference between Mexico and the U. S. is religion. Mexico has Roman Catholic traditions, while the U. S. mainly has Protestant traditions. There were cultural reasons why Texas did not want to remain part of Mexico and first seceded and then became part of the United States. Many of those reasons are still valid today, in spite of NAFTA and Mexico's immigration and nationalization policies. Many Mexican immigrants to the U. S. have no desire to assimilate, to speak English, nor to become Americans. They are aggressively seeking to replace our culture with theirs.

When we celebrate Columbus Day in the U. S., and the Mexicans celebrate ''El Día de la Raza,'' a statement is being made about how two cultures view their place in the world. El Día de la Raza can be translated as ''The Day of the Race,'' an expression that has definite racist overtones. Columbus Day may carry overtones of conquest, but it links our culture with Europe. The Day of the Race links Mexican culture with a brutal and indigenous people, the Aztecs, and carries shades of revenge and empire. The day of the Race is Mexico's answer to our ''manifest destiny.''

During the ''conquista,'' Spain tried to impose on Mexico a common western language, religion, and culture, and to the degree it was successful.  It was also anti-American. We should remember that the Spaniards were building the great cathedral at the Zocolo in Mexico City a hundred years before George Washington took control of the Continental Army at Cambridge, Massachusetts. Here are two different world views, sharing the same continent.

In his article, Clash of Civilizations?, Samuel P. Huntington reminds us that cultural differences may cause future wars, and that these wars will be along cultural ''fault lines.'' The U. S. — Mexican border is one of those fault lines. Huntington writes, ''Civilization identity will be increasingly important in the future, and the world will be shaped in large measure by the interactions among seven or eight major civilizations. ...The most important conflicts of the future will occur along the cultural fault lines separating these civilizations from one another.''

In regard to Mexico, Huntington writes, ''During the past decade, Mexico has assumed a position somewhat similar to that of Turkey. Just as Turkey abandoned its historic opposition to Europe and attempted to join Europe, Mexico has stopped defining itself by its opposition to the United States and is instead attempting to imitate the United States.'' However, unlike Canada, Mexico has a large, nonwestern, indigenous population that has not yet been integrated into modernity. This native population also carries an unconscious weight of resentment towards the Spanish conquest, which it now mistakenly displaces onto the U. S.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aztlan; illegalimmigration; immigration; reconquistas
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To: quidnunc
This is a defining thread of high significance. Our two nations are nearing the Breaking Point. And here is the root reason why, defined by the writer:

"This native population also carries an unconscious weight of resentment towards the Spanish conquest, which it now mistakenly displaces onto the U. S."

Anger transference is frequently used by totalitarian regimes. It works very well against the world's leading super power. The USSR attempted anger transference against the US. The Chinese are attempting anger transference against the US. And so does Bin Laden. Hitler used anger transference against the Jewish community. Why, people might ask, is it used? It transfers anger directed at the nation's leader and re-routes it in another direction. Thus, the national leadership can get away with even more tyranny than it otherwise could.

We can handle an open conflict with Mexico along the border. But a war with Mexico won't work that way. It will be independently organised paramilitary terrorists peppered across the US landscape, already smuggled here through our loose immigration policy. This would make 9-11 look like a Sunday drive. That is why I've been using this tagline at times:
41 posted on 10/20/2003 3:11:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (California, Our Kosovo?)
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To: Phil V.
I agree. We don't want to 'liberate' aka invade Mexico. We simply need to secure our borders before California becomes our Kosovo. The sooner we do that, the less bloodshed there will be in the future.
42 posted on 10/20/2003 3:14:40 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (California, Our Kosovo?)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Jeff Head's excellent fictional future war series "Dragon's Breath" is about a near future WW3 led by the Chinese. The Mexicans are not allies and in fact there are entire cells of sabatours from there in the book.

Of course here in Portland we just saw the last of the "Portland 7" plead guilty to various "treason light" sentences. The shortest is 7 years, I think one got almost 20. Interestingly one of the guilty was a VP at Intel. Go figure. The enemy is already within. There may not be enough left to turn the tide at this point.
43 posted on 10/20/2003 8:42:52 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jeff Head
Reference to your book FYI.
44 posted on 10/20/2003 8:43:50 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: JustPiper
Nowadays, the Mexican elites realize they do not need an army when they have NAFTA and illegal immigrants to do the job just as well. The Mexican elites have devised a foreign policy to achieve these objectives. This policy uses the poorer elements in Mexican society as foot soldiers. By moving poor and jobless Mexicans north, Mexico can make the U. S. absorb the cost of welfare and at the same time re-colonize large segments of so-called lost, Mexican territory.

But there's a flaw in their "brillante" plan. The children and grandchildren of these alleged conquerors are being assimilated into the American culture. Have you ever watched Spanish language TV that's aimed at teens and young adults? It's at least half English. Some have English titles. It's unlikely that the children of their audience will be able to speak Spanish at all. To them, Mexico is a backward, impoverished, foreign land ruled by a corrupt kleptocracy. This all begs the question: Why would these Americans wish to participate in helping such foreigners conquer their homeland? They wouldn't.

45 posted on 10/20/2003 9:02:34 AM PDT by Redcloak (I was going to write something clever here.)
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To: Jack Black
Thanks for the mention, JAck.

The Dragon's Fury Series postulates terror on a braod scale in America due in large part to pourous southern borders where Islamic, Chinese, Aztland and other terrorists continue to come into the country in large numbers after 9-11.

Then, when major war is instigated by the Chinese and the fundamental Islamic nations in 2006, all of those terror cells break loose at once in a horrific attack within America...far worse than 9-11.

Mexico tries to put a friendly face forward, but stays neutral as much as it can. Finally, when some of the cells are proven to be working our of Mexico with corrupt Mexican officials involved, the United States acts...this occurs in Volume III. Volume IV is due out in just a few weeks.

That is one part of a much broader and more dangerous story.

Hope folks will take an opportunity to look at it...thanks JB for mentioning it.


THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES

A Techno-thriller Series about the next World War

46 posted on 10/20/2003 5:05:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jack Black
Actually, there is still time, if we twist GW's arm hard enough. 70% of Californians oppose drivers' licsences to illegal aliens. If they have that much work left in CA, then yes, there is still time, although we could still have major loss of life no matter what we do at this point. FReegards....
47 posted on 10/21/2003 2:26:29 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (California, Our Kosovo?)
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To: Redcloak; backhoe; Jack Black
It might only take one thousand radical Mexican nationals to start a Kosovo process in California. If they all went 'Sniper' like Muhammad and Malvo, one thousand at one time, then many US loyalists would be tempted to retaliate in kind. It would be pro-Mexico vs. anti-Mexico far more rapidly than you might think.

Our beaurocracy is not designed to handle that kind of problem well. Not too hot for the economy, no?

Even worse, California and neighboring states would become war zones. Children of immigrants, once loyal to the United States, would hear stories of persecution, much like the way muslims here in the US keep griping about arrests. Only in this case, being that Mexico has a high population concentration in various places [noy to mention a land border], US loyalists would be much more alarmed and would be tempted to over-react.
48 posted on 10/21/2003 2:40:04 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (California, Our Kosovo?)
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To: bluelowrider57
You're being a nativist. Hispanics inside the U.S. simply mean to live fruitful lives like they wish Mexico was. Mexico does not speak English and does not have the same culture as us.

What planet have you been on?

Where I work I talk to people all over the u.S. every day. And every day I get a couple of jerks that refuse to use the Spanish line, they think they can "sprek engrisa." The thing is most of them are the CHILDREN of the people we do business with. Mom and Dad, not a word of English. Their kids, which grew up right here in the states, went to public "school" produce mumbling and catch phrases AT BEST. For the most part they are non-functioning illiterate.

These people are NOT the future of America, because if that is the future, this will not be America. And if that is the case, it is cause for war.

Better now than later, because later will be a Holocaust.

TLI

49 posted on 11/10/2003 7:17:48 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: Dr Warmoose

I almost hate to say this but I agree.


50 posted on 05/02/2005 2:27:43 AM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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