Gun control? How about gun elimination?

Baltimore Sun ^ | October 19, 2003 | G. Jefferson Price III, Perspective Editor

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George!!!!!!! Good to see you. Thanks for the links.

Gov. Bob Ehrlich has got a barn burner going with Curran and his gun grabbers. We'll see.

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Here's what happens when government disarms the law-abiding; its the kind of thing Mr. Idiot the Third wants in the US:

Military weapons in hands of gangs

By John Kidman, Frank Walker and Eamonn Duff

October 19, 2003 The Sun-Herald [Australia]

Police Commissioner Ken Moroney yesterday offered to speak personally with anyone giving information on the spate of deadly shootings that have shaken Sydney. The commissioner's offer is the latest desperate attempt to break the wall of silence in an escalating battle with heavily armed gangs involved in crime in the south-western suburbs.

Yesterday, the man who survived a double murder in Greenacre on Monday night was taken back to the bullet-riddled house as detectives executed a search warrant. Ali Hamka lost his wife Mervat and friend Ziad Razzak after a drive-by shooting saw his home sprayed with a shower of more than 100 bullets.

An investigation into the current spate of gun crimes by The Sun-Herald has exposed a horrific new dimension to the city's organised gang culture: some are now armed with weapons of war. Grenades have been found at the scenes of two recent gang attacks, while police are investigating reports that one group has acquired an assault rifle fitted with a grenade launcher. Some believe the weapons to have been imported from the war zones of the Middle East.

The investigation shows drive-by shootings and attacks are now occurring with a new and frightening regularity. A research project undertaken by the NSW Opposition estimates that a potentially life-threatening firearms incident now takes place somewhere in NSW every 43 hours.

With almost unlimited access to handguns and in some cases, military-styled assault weapons, at least six ethnic-based rival groups have been engaged in tit-for-tat bloodletting across just a handful of Sydney suburbs for the past 18 months.

At least 118 drive-by shootings, kneecappings, murders, armed robberies and other gun offences have occurred since March. Yet these are simply the incidents which have been reported by the media, with the real number estimated to be higher still. While official statistics on gang shootings are not kept, Mr Moroney yesterday described the current state of lawlessness as a form of "urban terrorism" and as the worst he had seen in four decades.

"They are urban terrorists. They are disturbing the safety, security and wellbeing of the community. These people are criminals and murderers. They are not frightened of the prison system. They are not frightened of the police. "There is a culture within these people, a belief system within these people that makes them not frightened. We have got to be able to break that down, and in order to break it down there are a variety of community leaders who are earnestly seeking to work with us to provide an inroad to these people."

Mr Moroney hit back at Opposition police spokesman Peter Debnam who had said Sydney was being ruled by 1000 men armed with guns rather than police and government.

"I find comments that there are 1000 guns on the streets alarmist in the extreme, and not helpful to the resolution of the issue," Mr Moroney said. But police sources say heavily armed rivalsyndicates fighting primarily over drug turf have been "running out of control" in the Bankstown-Fairfield area since at least mid-2001. The past 10 months had witnessed a frightening escalation in both the gang's access to weaponry and willingness to kill, they said.

Following last Monday's double murder at Greenacre, police recovered more than 100 spent .45 and .22 calibre bullets along with two unfired semi-automatic pistols. However, The Sun-Herald has learned that detectives are probing reports that those responsible may have originally intended to blast the modest fibro home with a grenade-launching rifle.

A live grenade was also discovered concealed in a freezer inside the house, while in another gang-related attack at Fairfield earlier this year, a grenade was lobbed into a backyard but failed to explode.

Semi-automatic pistols and a military assault rifle were used to execute 34-year-old father-of-four Ali Abdulrazak at Lakemba on September 29. His 24-year-old nephew, Ziad Razzak was killed in Monday's drive-by assault at Greenacre. Police insist they know who is behind the killings but lost trace of their suspects following an ill-timed tactical response raid on a home at Punchbowl in the wake of Mr Abdulrazak's murder about six weeks ago.

Strike force police believe the suspects have abandoned their regular hideouts and are "house-hopping" with the help of friends and relatives whilst playing a deadly game of cat and mouse with their enemies. The gangs-gun debate has also caused a troubling split along rank lines within the police force, The Sun-Herald has learned. Faced with evidence of up to two dozen unsolved gang shootings being investigated by Fairfield police alone, one detective is known to have written to Deputy Police Commissioner David Madden with his concerns late last year.

Mr Madden has so far not responded to the claim. An internal police inquiry is also said to be underway into complaints lodged by detectives over a senior officer's insistence that the Bankstown area did not have a problem with gangs or drugs, earlier this year.

Like Britain, Australia is experiencing a crime wave unprecedented for that country. While there are several factors involved, one of the big ones is the recent Australian Gun Grab from the citzenry. A disarmed citizenry is caught between armed crooks and armed agents of government. Its so obvious that an armed citzenry provides the BEST deterrence against criminal behavior. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Welcome to reality, Mr. Price. The author is nothing more than a mere "useful idiot", or worse, a haidmaiden of tyranny.

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Actually, I'm not for gun control. I'm for gun elimination.

First step.

Second step:

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If you don't want guns thats fine. You just don't have the right to say that i don't have the right to own a gun. It is a proven fact that guns reduce crime, ex: Australia, Japan, and Britian, their crime rate sky-rocketed once they took guns out of the hands of their citizens. To criminals their only fear when they break in is the fear of the owner has a gun.