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Gun control? How about gun elimination?
Baltimore Sun ^ | October 19, 2003 | G. Jefferson Price III, Perspective Editor

Posted on 10/19/2003 1:50:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cboldt
I'm for gun elimination. ... I'm for taking away guns from anyone who can't prove a real need. The author can't seem to make up his mind. Typical. Wants to permit some "elite" part of society to be armed. That is not the "elimination" of guns

The people this jackass wants to keep armed are those he would task to enforce his idea of the perfect society on the rest of us.

I'll wager that this POS has never seen some of beautiful Baltimores seedier neighborhoods except through the window of his limo on the way to some high class social function.

41 posted on 10/19/2003 8:36:32 AM PDT by metalurgist (Death to the democrats!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am constantly disappointed by the shallow and pedestrial level of debate the left offers, on just about any subject. Vitriol, vituperation, lies, fraud, sure... but cogent arguments and real debate? Naw. Al Franken might as well have been the author of this piece. Then again, the left's real talents are all devoted to attempts at deception of the great "middle", and here we see the veil lifted, the mask thrown off. Price believes that, buy admitting his and the left's true agenda, he can convice the great middle of the sanity and virtue of his position.

He fails to understand that his is an old and hoary fantasy, so old as to be almost forgotten. "What is there were no guns in the world...?" Didn't we all muse about this and other faery tale like possibilities in our naive, butterfly-like youth? Wasn't that the whole point of the Flower-child era, the creation of a non-reality to live in, in preference to the real one? Trouble is, we have all grown up, and now face the ugly and dire truths of life, and realize the dangers of living in a dreamworld when the atrocity of 9/11 is upon us. This gentleman stays behind, inhaling the strawberry incense deeply, and hoping that it is not just a dream.

42 posted on 10/19/2003 1:05:04 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: clee1
"I have a list of my own, should the 2nd Civil War come."

I hope SOMEBODY is keeping a master list. Send me a freepmail!

--Boris

43 posted on 10/19/2003 1:13:12 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: BlackbirdSST
"My cookie cutter response is, whether they're in my face or subtle makes no difference to me, Come get some! The sooner the better."

Yeah; come get mine first.

--Boris

44 posted on 10/19/2003 1:14:25 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm for taking away the right of this idiot to say or write anything without a proven need (i.e. a need for the rest of us to hear him) to do so. I'll be the one to decide whether the need is valid, unless anyone else wants to apply for that job.
45 posted on 10/19/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Freepers can respond to:

letters@baltsun.com

for Letters to the Editor (be sure to include contact information, including your full name and both day and evening phone numbers)...

--Boris

46 posted on 10/19/2003 1:17:05 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Editor
Baltimore Sun

Sir:

G. Jefferson Price III may not be on the NRA's "enemies list" but he is certainly on MINE. I was born in Baltimore, but I escaped. Mr. Price reminds me of why. If he wants to "eliminate" guns, let him work to pass an Amendment which repeals the Second Amendment, which he not only misquotes but holds in such contempt.

The Bill of Rights is not a chinese-restaurant menu. You cannot select only those amendments which please you and reject those that do not. For leftists of Price's stripe, the Bill of Rights consists only of the First, Fifth, and (by extension) the Fourteenth Amendments.

If Mr. Price wishes to "elminate" guns, I invite him to come to California and attempt to take mine first.

--Boris

47 posted on 10/19/2003 1:24:00 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: *bang_list
Molon Labe
48 posted on 10/19/2003 1:26:34 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The following has been posted here previously. I altered it a bit and submitted it to the Baltimore Sun as a "guest editorial" in response to this drivel:

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My name is not 'Buford'. I am Jewish and reasonably well-educated (B.S., Mechanical Engineering, Cornell University; M.S., Aerospace Engineering, M.I.T.). My parents remembered the holocaust, and taught me what the Nazis did to unarmed and helpless Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the abattoirs of the camps.

I am also a gun owner. I own ten handguns, two rifles, and a shotgun. In a temper of pure contrariness, I recently placed an order for an "assault weapon". Before obtaining this gun, I will undergo, for the 14th time, a background check by the Attorney General to certify that I am reasonably sane, have no criminal record, and am not a danger to myself or others. How this 14th certification will prevent crimes of passion is a mystery: should I go mad and decide to kill my neighbor, one of my existing weapons will do the job admirably. I will not go down to my local gun store to purchase a new gun just for this purpose. A little thought will show that the "background check" for people who already own guns can serve no purpose other than pure harassment.

The propaganda campaign is being employed against us as was used against smokers and tobacco companies. The two cases are similar: both involved propaganda against law-abiding users and purveyors of a legal product. Anti-gun fanatics have become quite expert in various techniques of propaganda. One of the most effective is to construct scare phrases such as "Cop Killer Bullet", "Assault Weapon", "Spray[ed] bullets", and so on. They are working assiduously to confuse the term "Semi-Automatic" with "Automatic". (An automatic weapon is a machine gun. Virtually all handguns, and many rifles, are semi-automatic--meaning that one bullet is fired for each pull of the trigger. The sixgun that Wyatt Earp used was a "semi-automatic" weapon, as was the .45-caliber pistol used in World War II by U.S. servicemen, a pistol invented in 1911.)

This is done in order to define the terms of the debate and thus to "win" it before it begins. Indeed, reasoned debate is the last thing they want: they rely upon emotionalism and hysteria rather than logic. The anti-gun crowd is perfectly dishonest. They pretend, for example, that "13 children a day" are "killed by guns". In order to derive this number, they assume that everyone under 21 is a "child". The vast majority of "children" who die by gunfire are gang members, who are murdering each other in wars over money, drugs, and turf. But it is far more important for the anti-gun zealots to invoke a false image of innocent six-year-olds being gunned down in the street.

Logic and facts would reveal, for example, that there are 60 million gun owners in the U.S., and approximately 200 million firearms. 99.5% of all firearms are never used in any crime. For 223 years, the United States has had a large number of firearms without massacres like that at Columbine. Guns, in fact, were more readily available before 1960 than now--and such rampages were rare. This suggests that it is not guns but other factors that lead to these killings. And Professor John Lott of the University of Chicago has shown that ownership of firearms actually prevents violent crime. But the debate is no longer about logic and facts.

If there are roughly 65 million adult males in the U.S., and each year 0.01% of them go insane, and one percent of them decide to murder, then there will be 65 insane killers per year, roughly 5 per month. If one-fifth of those insane killers use a gun, then the anti- gun propagandists will have one atrocity a month to use in their campaign. If the killer instead uses a car, a fertilizer bomb, poison, or a chainsaw, the crime is printed on page 32 of the paper, and all of the compassion of the gun-grabbers is withheld.

Now I know how smokers must feel. At a recent dinner party, I mentioned in conversation that I own guns and shoot them as a hobby. A shocked silence descended on the room. It was as if I had casually admitted a taste for human flesh, or a rare sexual perversion as yet unapproved by Hollywood. Guests eyed me suspiciously, as if I might at any moment produce a weapon and begin "spraying" bullets. In point of fact, having been repeatedly certified by the State A.G. as a solid citizen, sane and non-violent, I am one of the least likely to perpetrate an outrage. But all of the current gun-law frenzy is directed at me and other law-abiding gun owners.

The current uproar over "straw purchases" is truly amusing in a sad way. If straw purchasers--defined as persons with no criminal record who buy guns to resell to criminals--are indeed a problem, then the State Attorney General has not been doing his job. If I were to purchase, say, 12 handguns in May, and another 12 in June, one would expect the state Attorney General to inquire what I am doing with so many weapons. Evidently he has not been inquiring when others make repeated straw purchases. Instead, he supported the "one-gun-a-month" law, apparently out of laziness--it is, after all, the failure of his office that "necessitated" it. Has anyone accused the Attorney General of nonfeasance? It would seem that he is more culpable than are gun owners--if straw purchases are really the problem they are said to be.

The present hysterical drumbeat against firearms is dangerous on many levels. It demonstrates the corruption of American political debate, and the debasement of education. Citizens are no longer taught the meaning or purpose of the Bill of Rights, and critical thinking skills are actively discouraged by the schools--in favor of 'feelings' and non-rational discourse. When friends ask me my definition of a "conservative", I tell them: 'Conservatives are the people who can read the Constitution--and have the temerity to believe it means exactly what it says.'

The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." This is plain language, and before America was deconstructed by the Left, its meaning was clear. "Infringe," says my dictionary, means "to break (a law or agreement); fail to observe the terms of; violate; trespass; encroach, meddle." That seems clear enough. And anyone who has studied the Federalist Papers cannot avoid the conclusion that the Founders clearly intended for private citizens to have the right to keep and bear arms--without interference.

Yet the Second Amendment, like those other step-children of the Bill of Rights, the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, is simply ignored. A curious sort of blindness--of tunnel vision--infects those who want to "control" guns. They stridently adopt an absolutist position on the First Amendment, but avert their eyes when the Second is mentioned--they wish it would just go away. (Ask the ACLU, "dedicated to upholding the Bill of Rights", how many defenses of the Second Amendment they have mounted.) But the Bill of Rights is not a Chinese Restaurant menu: you may not choose those rights you admire and reject those you deplore. The current fashion--of adopting laws which are clearly unconstitutional, and blandly ignoring criticisms based upon the constitution--is a step toward totalitarianism. It is the substitution of brute force for the rule of law. If one can violate the constitution and its clear meaning simply because one can, then the rule of law is dead--and might makes right.

If the gun-control crowd had an ounce of honesty and integrity, they would forthrightly admit that their goal is to outlaw all firearms and confiscate them. Then they would straightforwardly propose--and work to get ratified--an Amendment which repeals the Second Amendment. But they know the American people would never vote to abrogate a part of the Bill of Rights. So they prefer the incremental, "boiled frog" approach--achieving by stealth and gradualism what they cannot obtain openly. To call this strategy "dishonest" is an understatement.

49 posted on 10/19/2003 1:33:10 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There were 43,000 people killed on our highways last year. Were those deaths worth it?

"...tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed, and for what? For the sake of preserving "the right to bear arms"? That's not good enough."

So for what cause did those 43,000 who were killed on our roads die? There were 28,000 killed by firearms in 2000. If self-defense and safety were not good enough to justify 28,000 firearms deaths (a good number of whom were criminals killed by policemen in the commission of a felony), then is vehicular transport "good enough" of a reason to justify 43,000 dead? Should we give up vehicular transport since it comes at a cost of 43,000 lives each year?

50 posted on 10/19/2003 1:44:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He can "eliminate" my guns when he grows a pair and comes after them. Personally, I don't give him very good odds for survival.
51 posted on 10/19/2003 1:44:35 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: novacation
"So the second amendment is a "dubious source" I quess that goes for the rest of the constitution also."

The Constitution "strangles Democracy," doncha know?
52 posted on 10/19/2003 1:46:13 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: goldstategop; Mia T

Anyone know if this flick is available on DVD ?:o)

Stay Safe !

53 posted on 10/19/2003 2:26:08 PM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But you get the point. A vast cross-section of talented, thoughtful Americans, many beautiful people and just plain all-American companies and organizations are on the NRA bad list.

A-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa....

54 posted on 10/19/2003 4:45:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Beautiful People...Good God, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again!)
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To: the lone wolf
Is there some way to find out if the author of this piece is an officer of or donates money to the Democratic Party?

Does it matter? The man wants our guns; I wouldn't care if he were otherwise a right-wing Libertarian, I'd want him on MY enemies list!

55 posted on 10/19/2003 4:55:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Beautiful People...Good God, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again!)
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To: Quiller
Of course, maybe Alec Baldwin was showing his opposition to firearms violence when he advocated stoning a man and his family to death because Baldwin disagreed with him.

Should we rename him Alec Talibaldwin?

56 posted on 10/19/2003 5:01:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Beautiful People...Good God, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again!)
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To: Bigg Red; CurlyBill; tgslTakoma; Trace21230; beachn4fun; Heatseeker; lizma; HowardLaw
Maryland Politics Ping.
57 posted on 10/19/2003 5:21:48 PM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: sauropod
I have a sign on my car that says: "Driver only carries $20 in AMMUNITION."
58 posted on 10/19/2003 6:50:43 PM PDT by clee1 (Where's the beef???)
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To: scan58
Now, in Iraq, America's appointed governors are supposed to come up with a good American-style constitution. Let's make sure they have a Second Amendment giving every Iraqi the right to bear arms. That's just what Iraq needs.

And it's just what they're getting. Ordinary Iraqis are still allowed to keep a full auto AK-47 to defend themselves with, albeit with some restrictions on place and manner of bearing them. Which is more than you can say about ordinary Americans, come to think of it.

CENTCOM Release on the subject.

59 posted on 10/19/2003 7:04:36 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If people boycotted everyone on the list, they wouldn't read any respectable newspapers or see any good movies, and they'd miss most television programming.

And the problem with this is? (Aside from the definition of "respectable" newspapers, like the lying NYT perhaps?, and "good movies", like the equally fraudulent "Bowling for Columbine" maybe?)

We'd rather be FReeping or shooting anyway.

60 posted on 10/19/2003 7:19:01 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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