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Stone Of Destiny - Stone Of Scone - Stonel Tea Tephi - Lia Fail
Moreshand.com ^ | 1983 | Bertrand L. Comparet

Posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:28 PM PDT by blam

The Stone of Destiny

by Rev. Bertrand L. Comparet, A.B., J.D.
1901-1983

Bertrand L. Comparet was a native Californian, born in San Diego. He was graduated from Stanford University with the degree of Bachelor of Arts and Juris Doctor. He was admitted to the California Supreme Court or California Bar in 1926 and by the United States Supreme Court in 1956. From 1926 to 1932 he was a Deputy District Attorney in San Diego County and from 1942 to 1947 was Deputy City Attorney for the City of San Diego. Since that time he has been in private law practice. Pastor Bertrand L. Comparet started teaching in 1933 and continued for over 40 years. He returned to the Father in August of 1983. If you do an Internet search on "Bertrand Comparet" you will find many of his sermons."

In the Coronation Chair in Westminster Abbey in London is an oblong block of sandstone, upon which all of England's kings have been crowned for several centuries--and before that, the kings of Scotland, and before them the kings of Ireland. This is another bit of evidence of the identity of the Anglo-Saxon people as the Israel of the Bible, and that the House of David still rules over them.

The history of this stone begins in the 28th chapter of Genesis, where we read that Jacob camped overnight in a field, and for his pillow used a stone with his folded cloak over it. During the night, God appeared to him in a vision, and promised to give him the Land of Canaan. When Jacob awoke, he said, "this is the house of God," and named the place Beth-el, meaning "House of God." Then he took the stone he had used as his pillow and set it up as a monument, and dedicated it with an offering of oil. He promised that, if God would help him, "then shall the Lord be my God: and this stone which I have set for a monument shall be God's house."

In Genesis 34, God instructs him to go back to Bethel and set up an altar to God, which Jacob did. It was at this time that God changed Jacob's name to Israel; and Israel again set up and dedicated as a monument of witness the stone pillar which he had dedicated as "God's house." Its sacred character was now firmly established.

We next find mention of it in Genesis 49, when the aged Israel, before he dies, tells his 12 sons what will befall their respective descendants in the last days. Speaking of Joseph, he says, "From thence is the shepherd of the Stone of Israel." We should, therefore, expect to find the Stone in custody of the sons of Joseph in the last days. The English are the Tribe of Ephraim, descended from one of Joseph's sons. Its sacred character having been established, the stone would not be thereafter abandoned.

We next hear of it when the Children of Israel, in their exodus from Egypt, were facing death by thirst in the desert. God instructed Moses, "I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink"; thus they were saved from death. This miracle was repeated later, but this time Moses was instructed merely to speak to the rock, not strike it; because Moses disobeyed God and hit the rock in a "grandstand play" before the people, he was not allowed to enter the Promised Land. We must not think that this rock was merely the native rock cliffs of these desert places, for in 1 Corinthians 10: 1-4, Paul says "all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea ... and did all drink the same spiritual drink, for they drank of that spiritual Rock THAT FOLLOWED THEM, and that Rock was Christ. " That is, they were given water to drink from a rock which was carried along with them; and as Israel had said, "this stone which I have set up for a monument shall be God's house," so Christ hallowed it with His presence.

After Joshua had conquered the Promised Land and divided it among the 12 Tribes, he reminded them that they must ever be loyal to God, and he set up a stone as a monument of witness to this warning; the Hebrew says he took "the stone of greatness" --and what would that be, or what more fitting witness could there be, but the stone which was "God's house"?

Before God ever allowed Israel to have a king, the rebel Abimelech had himself crowned king beside this pillar or monument (Judges 9: 6). Later, when the lawful monarchy was established in the House of David, we find it was the custom that the king be crowned standing by the "pillar" or monument, for we read in 2 Kings 11: 12-14, "And he brought forth the king's son and put the crown upon him, and gave him the testimony; and they made him king, and annointed him; and they clapped their hands and said, God save the king. And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard and of the people, she came to the people into the Temple of the Lord. And when she looked, behold, the king stood hy a pillar, as the manner was and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced. "

The Stone had become a sacred relic, a witness of the mutual promises of God and of the Children of Israel. It would be found close to the Temple and the throne. Upon the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, 2 Maccabees 2: 4-8 says that ancient records stated that Jeremiah had taken the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle and had hidden them in a cave on Mount Nebo.

While 1 Samuel 4-5 records the capture of the Ark by the Philistines, and its return, there is no mention of it being taken by the Babylonians, so the ancient record of the Ark being hidden must be correct. Along with the Ark, we may be sure that Jeremiah would also safely hide the sacred Witness Stone, "God's house," which had twice been used to give water to the people to save them from death, and which was now used in the coronation of the kings.

When I spoke to you on "What Jeremiah Planted," I told you how Jeremiah and the daughters of the last King of Judah, Zedekiah, were taken to Egypt with the refugees; but in order to fulfill God's prophecy that Jeremiah was also "to build and to plant," Jeremiah had to leave Egypt and take the princess to where another Israelite kingdom was then in existence--in Ireland. We know that with Jeremiah went Baruch, his scribe, and the king's daughter; and with the princess, he would also certainly take the hidden Stone upon which the kings were crowned.

The ancient Irish records record the coming of "the Great Prophet," "Brugh" his scribe (obviously Baruch), and the daughter of a king, about 583 B.C., which would be the correct date; and that with them they brought the "Wonderful Stone," or "Stone of Destiny." In one of our congregations is a woman whose family genealogy shows that one of their ancestors came to Ireland with Jeremiah, and that this ancestor's duty was that of custodian of the Stonel Tea Tephi, the king's daughter, married Eochaidh the Heremon, or Chief King, of Ireland.

The stone, called "Lia Fail" or "Stone of Destiny" was kept at the capital city of Tara for some three centuries, and all the kings, descendants of Eochaidh and Tea Tephi, were crowned on it. Then, about 350 B.C., it was sent to Scotland for the coronation of Fergus, King of Scots, who was a descendant of the Milesian kings of Ireland. It remained in Scotland, and all Scottish kings were crowned on it, until 1297 A.D. when King Edward I of England invaded Scotland and captured the Stone, which he took to England, where it was placed in Westminster Abbey, its home ever since that date. It was built into the Coronation Chair--the oldest piece of furniture in England still serving its original purpose--and all English kings have been crowned on it ever since.

Its origin was well known during the entire time it has been in the British Isles, and from practically the first it was called "Jacob's Stone. " William of Rislanger, writing in the 13th century, records the coronation of John de Baliol as King of Scotland in the year 1292 "upon the stone upon which Jacob placed his head. "

While the ten-tribed nation of Israel had to "abide many days without a king" as God prophesied in Hosea 3: 4, yet there must always be a royal family of David's line on the throne over some Israelite people, for God promised through Jeremiah (33: 17) that "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel."

We know that Eochaidh the Heremon was of the Milesian line of Kings of Ireland, and that the Milesians in Ireland were descendants of Zarah, a son of Judah; and that Tea Tephi was a descendant of David, who was also of the Royal Tribe of Judah through Judah's son, Pharez. So the two royal lines of Judah were united with the marriage of Eochaidh and Tea Tephi, and a descendant of David was always on the throne over Israelite people, as God had promised.

The Ark of the Covenant belonged in the Temple; and the Temple was not to be a continuous institution like the Throne of David; so it is not surprising that the Ark has disappeared from history, and probably will not be revealed again until Jesus Christ returns to reign upon the Throne of David, as is prophesied in Isaiah 9: 7.

But the Throne was to be a continuous throne (Jeremiah 33: 17); therefore, it is only logical that the Coronation Stone, which the Hebrews had called "The Stone of Majesty" and "The Pillar of Witness," should be found where the Throne of David had its continued existence. After all, it was "The Pillar of Witness" for it had been made witness to both Israel's promise to be God's People and God's promise to be their God. It should be there, as a witness that God always makes good His promises, and "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the Throne of the House of Israel."

EDITORIAL NOTE

Subsequent to the time when Dr. Comparet delivered the foregoing address, Mr. E. Raymond Capt, author of "The Glory of the Stars," "Great Pyramid Decoded," and other writings, stated that new evidence, recently discovered, indicates that the transfer of the throne of David from Palestine to Europe may have been accomplished in a different manner than what is commonly believed.

According to the older tradition, the daughters of Zedekiah were Tamar Tephi (known to her family and friends as Tea Tephi or Tea), and her younger sister, Scota; and this Tamar Tephi, or Tea, was married to Eochaidh in Ireland. The new evidence mentioned by Mr. Capt is discussed on pages 6465 of his book, "King Solomon's Temple," in which he quotes Ezekiel 17. 22, which says: "Thus saith the Lord God; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent." Mr. Capt then says: "This was fulfilled when Scota, King Zedekiah's daughter (the tender twig), was taken to Egypt by Jeremiah and then to Spain where she married 'ane Greyk callit Gathelus, son of Cecrops of Athens, King of Argives' (The Chronicles of Scotland by Hector Boece). In due time a son was born and was named 'Eochaidh' (Eremhon or King).

"There is a tradition that when Jeremiah brought Scota to Spain, he also brought the 'stone' upon which Jacob laid his head, at Bethel, when he had the vision of a ladder extending to heaven (Gen. 28: 12-19). This -was the 'stone' used as a Coronation Stone in Solomon's Temple. Second Kings 11: 11-14 tells of the anointing of a king, after which all the men around the king 'clapped their hands' and said, 'God save the King' while 'the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the kin ."

'From the 'Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters,' we find the following statement: 'Tea, the daughter of Loghaldh, son of Ith, whom Eremhon married in Spain was the Tea who requested of Eremhon a choice hill as her dower, in whatever place she should select it, that she might be interred therein. The hill she selected was Druimcaein, i.e. Teamhair (in Ireland)' (Vol. 1, pg. 31).

"This is only one of many historical records that place, not only Tea in Ireland, but her husband Eochaidh, 'the Heremon' (chief or King). At this same time there appeared, with Eochaidh (brought by Dedannans and set up at Tara as the inauguration stone of Irish Kings - Encyclopedia Britannica 14th ed.) a stone of red sandstone, a type found in Palestine. It had iron rings fastened at each end which could have been used for porter poles. The stone became known by the name 'Lia Fail' and 'Stone of Destiny.' It is not unlikely that Jacob's Stone and the 'Stone of Destiny' were one and the same. " By whatever course the throne of David may have been carried to Europe, it is nevertheless a fact that it was eventually transferred to Ireland, then Scotland, and then England.


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To: scouse
"On the local (FL.)news last week they reported that had found a skeleton, which was judged to be over 8000 years old. I have since heard no more concerning the find."

This is probably what you're talking about. Note that the original article is: Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

This is a follow-up to that article

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

61 posted on 10/19/2003 10:19:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks for the links. I don't know why they were discussing it again last week.
62 posted on 10/19/2003 10:30:38 AM PDT by scouse
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To: night reader
BibleTruth.org (independent Baptist) speculated that the Oriental peoples, and by extension, most of the Indians of the Western Hemisphere, are descended from Shem. Another Christian Web site, antioch.com.sg, argues a similar position, claiming that the Chinese are "Eastern Semites." They assume that the Chinese and other East Asians are descended from Joktan, one of the two sons of Eber, from whose name derives the term, Hebrew. Peleg, Eber's other son, has his descendants mentioned in the Bible, but Joktan's are not. An article by Paul Phelps, an American, indicates there is some evidence that the descendants of Joktan migrated to China and other parts of East Asia.

There are several similarities between the Chinese and the Hebrew calendars. Additionally, trade between the Noddle East and Far East was known to go back at least as far as the 7th Century BC. However, this does not explain the racial and linguistic differences that exist. It may, howver, explain why Chinese restaurants do well in Jewish neighborhoods!

63 posted on 10/20/2003 3:23:01 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Just mythoughts
"I know that this nation that recognized that it is our HEAVENLY FATHER who gives "RIGHTS" not man or governments is the "BENCHMARK" that keeps those blessings upon US." ~ Just mythoughts

Amen!

64 posted on 04/30/2004 11:11:38 AM PDT by thatcher (The rule of law has been destroyed by our politicians.)
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To: blam
Stone of Destiny
65 posted on 04/30/2004 11:34:23 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: ALASKA
On November 15, 1996, the Stone of Destiny, on which Scottish kings had been crowned since time immemorial, was brought back to Scotland 700 years after the army of King Edward I of England carted it off to Westminster Abbey in London. Now safely ensconced in Edinburgh Castle, the 152 kg rock popularly known outside Scotland as the "Stone of Scone" has joined the other Scottish royal regalia -- crown, scepter, sword and jewels -- in a closely-guarded museum.
66 posted on 04/30/2004 12:44:25 PM PDT by paleocon patriarch
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To: ALASKA
Nope. It's in Edinburgh Castle. Saw it 2 weeks ago with on a trip with my son's school. They have it in the same room as the Scottish "crown jewels", I think called the "honors"
67 posted on 04/30/2004 12:57:44 PM PDT by jaybee
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To: jaybee; blam; BikerTrash; Just mythoughts; BearWash
Interesting old thread. The author expects the reader to make several leaps of faith in order to accept the stone's origin.

Upon the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, 2 Maccabees 2: 4-8 says that ancient records stated that Jeremiah had taken the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle and had hidden them in a cave on Mount Nebo.

While 1 Samuel 4-5 records the capture of the Ark by the Philistines, and its return, there is no mention of it being taken by the Babylonians, so the ancient record of the Ark being hidden must be correct.

Not exactly. There are several theories as to the location of the ark, citing various references. Besides, if the ark was intentionally hidden in a super-secret place, then why would ancient records plainly state its location?

More importantly, though, is the verse oft quoted in supposed reference to this throne:

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

If the author's interpretation is correct, then how could he have explained verse 18?


Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
Jeremiah 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.
Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Jeremiah 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jeremiah 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jeremiah 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jeremiah 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Where are the continual burnt offerings?

Exactly.

Reading on, we can see that as day and night continue, so shall this covenant. Well, the Levitical sacrifices stopped so why should verse 17 mean that there must be a continual physically present reigning king? However, it does appear in the context that the Lord promised to preserve the lineage of David and that of the priests, regardless of their ability to perform these functions.

Ezekiel 37 decribes the day when the House of Judah and House of Israel are reunited, and "in that day",


Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

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I find these topics of immense interest, but when their foundational text just can't support the main premise, than this theory has a huge problem right out of the starting gate.

That said, the House of Israel and the House of Judah can be ID'd in modern times, hiding in plain sight, but the implications tend to scare or annoy people. It's easier just to mock or shoot the messenger, and associate him with the anti-semitic "identity" groups.

Ironically, the King James translation makes it look like there is no desire to have a descendant of David on the throne, or that there is no desire for the offerings to continue. "Want" = "lack", but I suppose it may not be all that incorrect to look at it both ways. As in, people preferring to do what is right in their own minds.

68 posted on 05/01/2004 6:11:56 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Wallace T.

Hi Wallace:

Your post specifically dismisses Israelitish origins of the peoples of Great Britain based upon DNA evidence.

Your DNA evidence ASSUMES the British would have DNA matches/links with Jewish/Middle East DNA.

The Bible does not claim that all Israelites are Jews.

All Jews are Hebrews/Israelites but not all Hebrews/Israelites are Jews.

In lieu of this fact your DNA contentions that the British must possess Jewish/Middle East DNA in order to establish descendancy is erroneous.

I can heap a ton of Bible to support this claim but as it sits now I think it best to wait and review your clarification that should be forthcoming.

Best regards:

Willowtree


69 posted on 09/04/2004 1:08:21 PM PDT by Willowtree
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To: Willowtree
The twelve tribes of Israel are descended from the twelve sons of Jacob. There is therefore a common ancestor on the patrilineal side. Anthropologists have been able to find common patrilineal ancestors among Jews with the last name of Cohen (or a variant thereof), who would presumably be descendants of Levi.

There is evidence of Near Eastern genes in western Europe, representing the genetic inheritance of early farmers who presumably emigrated from that region. There is nothing inconsistent between this fact and the Genesis narrative regarding the dispersal of the nations following the building of the Tower of Babel. This inheritance is strongest in the most isolated portions of western Europe, such as the Basque country of Spain and western Ireland. However, this inheritance is matrilineal. In the case of Ireland, where numerous waves of invaders (Celts, Vikings, Normans, English, Scots) landed, their genetic impact was most felt in the eastern areas of that country. The "Old European", Near Eastern origin haplotypes are less prevalent among the eastern Irish and Irish with Norman French (Fitzgerald, Burke), English (Cunningham, Robinson), or Scottish (Knox, Paisley) surnames. The genetic evidence is supplemented by the anthopological evidence that the eastern Irish are, on the whole, blonder and more Nordic looking than their western counterparts. (Irish-Americans are not the best examples of pure Irish types. Bing Crosby was one-half English; James Cagney was one-quarter Norwegian; G. Gordon Liddy is one-half Italian; Mariah Carey is part black.)

The Anglo-Israelite theory emphasizes the kinship between the ten lost tribes, who had a common patrilineal origin in Jacob, and the people of northwest Europe, specifically the Celtic and Germanic peoples. Generally speaking, these peoples overran earlier human settlements in Western Europe, some of whom had origins in the Near East, but from time frames well antedating the Babylonian captivity. The Italic peoples (among whom were the Latins), whose languages had considerable resemblances to the Celtic tongues, overran northern and central Italy around 1000 BC. However, there is no evidence of which I am aware that shows common patrilineal genetic patterns between the Jews or other Near Eastern peoples and population of northwest Europe.

The evidence suggests that the present inhabitants of northwest Europe has no patrilineal connections with the line of Jacob.

70 posted on 09/06/2004 7:45:39 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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