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To: MissAmericanPie
A Society is much like a living organism, it is either healthy, or diseased and dying.

So, people who agree with you are healthy. Those who disagree are diseased and dying. Don't you think that's a little smug and haughty?

let me assure you, you will not like living in what remains. You will not like living under a totalitarian government, or the manevolent compassion of socialism, and that is where not only the world, but the USofA is heading now...

So, Christians are free to express their Constitutional freedoms, but if homosexuals or atheists do the same, you see it as a nihilistic slide into the apocalypse? Or perhaps you're just being melodramatic.

You have bought into the lie that with Christians in charge you will be jailed and persecuted

That's an enormously presumptive statement for someone who doesn't know me whatsoever.

when it is because Christians have been in charge that you have not

This is also presumptive and a baseless contention.

There were laws on the books in Texas regarding the act of sodomy, never inforced except when sodomy began to show up in public parks in the daytime with children playing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Lawrence v. Texas decision did nothing make public sex in the parks legal, did it? If not, what's the relevance of your point here?

Christians in the USofA believe...that He has poured out riches, power, and freedom on this nation more than any other in the history of the world.

You're perfectly free to believe that, and you should if that helps to affirm your faith. But the atheist can just as easily contend that it was a secular nation free from religious medling, freedom from onerous regulation, and the ingenuity of free men that created the most prosperous nation in the world.

On another thread a poster protested my claim that all western nations have been historically ahead of the pack because of their respect for God, and the USofA's purity of worship has put us even ahead of them... there is no comparison between the mixture of voodoo/Christianity that has been the norm in S. America

Please tell me this is a bad joke. This just displays an unbelievable amount of cultural ignorance I'm nearly speechless. Most of South America is staunchly Catholic.

236 posted on 10/18/2003 10:36:56 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
So, people who agree with you are healthy. Those who disagree are diseased and dying. Don't you think that's a little smug and haughty?

You are missing the point, if I lived in a country whose majority were athiest or homosexual, and that was considered the norm, and I used the courts to force my agenda, it would be destructive to that society. And yes I think Christianity is a healthier form of society, both mentally and physically. Reason and logic should persuade the thinking person.

So, Christians are free to express their Constitutional freedoms, but if homosexuals or atheists do the same, you see it as a nihilistic slide into the apocalypse? Or perhaps you're just being melodramatic.

You are living under a Christian based government that jealously guards your rights to express yourself, or did until the advent of the deliberately vague "hate speech" thingy, and places those rights beyond the right of mere mortal man to tamper with. You have every right to express your opinion, and a resonable society weighs the merits of your opinion to incorporate into society or reject. You should not have the right to legislate, thereby forcing an opinion on the majority that they reject as unhealthy.

Athiests are not willing to accept rejection of their unbelief, a belief system that holds no promise of a future and no reason to build, strive for, or attain to, and demand that society not be allowed to believe either. Are you naive enough to believe that the attack on Christianity will stop with it's erasure from the public square? You say over 90% of Christians never question your belief as an atheist, and well they shouldn't, yet you would remove their right to reject your ideals in their own lives, and destroy their ability to share and celebrate the joy of their belief with each other in public situations.

You're perfectly free to believe that, and you should if that helps to affirm your faith. But the atheist can just as easily contend that it was a secular nation free from religious medling, freedom from onerous regulation, and the ingenuity of free men that created the most prosperous nation in the world.

And I suppose you are free to believe that it was a secular nation free from religious medling, freedom from onerous regulation, blah, blah, that created the most prosperous nation in the world, if you wish to fly in the face of the historical record.

My presumption that you are paranoid of Christians being "in charge" is based on a statement in one of your earlier posts. Maybe it was another poster though. I am at a loss as to why you would think Christians have not been in charge of this nation, at least men who held to the Christian moral standard were not only in charge of, but formed, our government.

Please tell me this is a bad joke. This just displays an unbelievable amount of cultural ignorance I'm nearly speechless. Most of South America is staunchly Catholic.

Stop playing around, from the Carribian Islands to Brazil the population practised a mixture of Catholisism and voodoo, sure they are coming out of it now for the most part but voodoo still plays a minor role in many South American nations such as Brazil. At one time one could almost measure the education and prosperity of S. American nations as to how much Christianity they held to, such as Argentina vs Brazil. Everywhere voodoo is the main religion a cesspool exists, Hati for example. The point I ask you to consider is this, while living under a Christian based nation is not ideal to you, as everyone in it is not perfect, we can both walk away from this conversation free people who do not agree, free to practise our beliefs in public or private with like minded people. That will not be the case under totalitarian socialism. And while that may make you happy for a short time, feeling justified through fiat, it will be a short lived joy.

260 posted on 10/18/2003 2:05:22 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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