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To: tdadams
So, people who agree with you are healthy. Those who disagree are diseased and dying. Don't you think that's a little smug and haughty?

You are missing the point, if I lived in a country whose majority were athiest or homosexual, and that was considered the norm, and I used the courts to force my agenda, it would be destructive to that society. And yes I think Christianity is a healthier form of society, both mentally and physically. Reason and logic should persuade the thinking person.

So, Christians are free to express their Constitutional freedoms, but if homosexuals or atheists do the same, you see it as a nihilistic slide into the apocalypse? Or perhaps you're just being melodramatic.

You are living under a Christian based government that jealously guards your rights to express yourself, or did until the advent of the deliberately vague "hate speech" thingy, and places those rights beyond the right of mere mortal man to tamper with. You have every right to express your opinion, and a resonable society weighs the merits of your opinion to incorporate into society or reject. You should not have the right to legislate, thereby forcing an opinion on the majority that they reject as unhealthy.

Athiests are not willing to accept rejection of their unbelief, a belief system that holds no promise of a future and no reason to build, strive for, or attain to, and demand that society not be allowed to believe either. Are you naive enough to believe that the attack on Christianity will stop with it's erasure from the public square? You say over 90% of Christians never question your belief as an atheist, and well they shouldn't, yet you would remove their right to reject your ideals in their own lives, and destroy their ability to share and celebrate the joy of their belief with each other in public situations.

You're perfectly free to believe that, and you should if that helps to affirm your faith. But the atheist can just as easily contend that it was a secular nation free from religious medling, freedom from onerous regulation, and the ingenuity of free men that created the most prosperous nation in the world.

And I suppose you are free to believe that it was a secular nation free from religious medling, freedom from onerous regulation, blah, blah, that created the most prosperous nation in the world, if you wish to fly in the face of the historical record.

My presumption that you are paranoid of Christians being "in charge" is based on a statement in one of your earlier posts. Maybe it was another poster though. I am at a loss as to why you would think Christians have not been in charge of this nation, at least men who held to the Christian moral standard were not only in charge of, but formed, our government.

Please tell me this is a bad joke. This just displays an unbelievable amount of cultural ignorance I'm nearly speechless. Most of South America is staunchly Catholic.

Stop playing around, from the Carribian Islands to Brazil the population practised a mixture of Catholisism and voodoo, sure they are coming out of it now for the most part but voodoo still plays a minor role in many South American nations such as Brazil. At one time one could almost measure the education and prosperity of S. American nations as to how much Christianity they held to, such as Argentina vs Brazil. Everywhere voodoo is the main religion a cesspool exists, Hati for example. The point I ask you to consider is this, while living under a Christian based nation is not ideal to you, as everyone in it is not perfect, we can both walk away from this conversation free people who do not agree, free to practise our beliefs in public or private with like minded people. That will not be the case under totalitarian socialism. And while that may make you happy for a short time, feeling justified through fiat, it will be a short lived joy.

260 posted on 10/18/2003 2:05:22 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
You are living under a Christian based government that jealously guards your rights to express yourself

Unless you live outside the U.S. and I missed that detail, we live in with a secular government that is constitutionally separated from religion.

Are you naive enough to believe that the attack on Christianity will stop with it's erasure from the public square?

I know plenty of atheists and not a one of them hold me in contempt for being a Christian nor have any of them ever show an iota of interest in barring me from worshipping at the church of my choice or praying in my own home. I think you're either a little paranoid or have an 'oh-woe-is-me' persecution complex.

"You say over 90% of Christians never question your belief as an atheist..." "My presumption that you are paranoid of Christians being "in charge"...

Apparently it is you who has missed something. Try reading closer.

Everywhere voodoo is the main religion a cesspool exists, Hati for example.

You think voodoo religion is the sole explanation for Haiti's troubles? That's a bit narrow and utterly simplistic. It's probably also completely wrong.

That will not be the case under totalitarian socialism. And while that may make you happy for a short time, feeling justified through fiat, it will be a short lived joy.

I'd be happy under socialist totatlitarianism??? I'm sorry, but have you been drinking??? Before you make such preposterous statements in the future, do yourself the favor of at least learning the actual beliefs of the person you're speaking with. By the content of what you've posted to me, I would have no idea whatsoever that your comments were actually directed toward me.

264 posted on 10/18/2003 3:34:59 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: MissAmericanPie
... those are not at all to be tolerated who deny the being of a God. Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist. The taking away of God, though but even in thought, dissolves all; besides also, those that by their atheism undermine and destroy all religion, can have no pretence of religion whereupon to challenge the privilege of a toleration.

John Locke (Concerning Toleration, 1689)

Many atheists are good citizens, patriotic, and moral but I am afraid that they have no basis for chalenging the toleration that they enjoy in the United States. That toleration is based upon the rights granted by the Creator and that is the basis for our law. John Locke had it right and we can see the effects of tolerating atheists in seeking to undermine the fundamental rights that we enjoy. To be replaced by what -- the materialistic laws of nature? God help us from basing our laws on the survival of the fittest. Try as he will the moral atheists has nothing but matter, the blind laws of physics and the reasoning of men upon which to base a nation. The reasoning of men is far too fickle. It is better left in the hands of the Creator. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should remain transendent.

269 posted on 10/18/2003 5:25:46 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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