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To: Centurion2000
Without using ANY faith and mere observation it is possible to deduce that SOMEONE created/designed the universe.

So you believe, anyway.

He's God.

Which one? Zeus, from his throne on Mount Olympus, maybe? How about Shiva? Huitzilopochtli? Odin? Isis? Perhaps Ferd, the king of the Invisible Pink Unicorns? How about Xarcon, the superadvanced alien from the universe next door, who created our universe as part of his qualifying test for his degree in cosmogenics?

Hint: Even if you could actually prove that some intelligence had to have made our universe, you haven't demonstrated that it must be Yahweh as described in the Bible.

Example: Using observation of physical universal constants. Observing biochemistry in action.

I've observed them both, I didn't see any deities involved. What else have you got?

188 posted on 10/18/2003 7:48:48 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Without using ANY faith and mere observation it is possible to deduce that SOMEONE created/designed the universe.

So you believe, anyway.

No ... this is straight observation; the odds against chance being responsible are too high to have ever happened in the observed lifetime of the universe.

Hint: Even if you could actually prove that some intelligence had to have made our universe, you haven't demonstrated that it must be Yahweh as described in the Bible.

I'm not trying to prove that the God of the Bible created the universe. SOMEONE did as the odds against natural formation are so laughable that you would have to win the lottery every day of your life to duplicate it.

I'm not talking about belief or faith in deducing the existence of an intelligence guiding creation.

30 physical constants in the universe are EXACTLY what's needed to provide life ot the universe. Move any of them by more than 2% higher or lower and life becomes IMPOSSIBLE.

Biochemistry : abiogenisis cannot be duplicated. There's not even a model that allows for it. Just evolutionary 'faith' that it had to happen.

Look at a bee, mathematically it should not be able to fly, yet it does.

There is evidence of an intelligent design across the universe.

It take more faith to deny the existence of a God than it does to merely acknowledge it's presence.

195 posted on 10/18/2003 8:05:32 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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