FREEP JEB BUSH for TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO

http://www.Terrisfight.org | Friday, 10-17-03 | floriduh voter

[cpforlife.org]

"Malcolm Muggeridge, the English writer, goes right to the heart of the matter: "Either life is always and in all circumstances sacred, or intrinsically of no account; it is inconceivable that it should be in some cases the one, and in some the other." The sanctity of innocent human life is a principle that Congress should proclaim at every opportunity.

We will never recognize the true value of our own lives until we affirm the value in the life of others, a value of which Malcolm Muggeridge says:. . . "however low it flickers or fiercely burns, it is still a Divine flame which no man dare presume to put out, be his motives ever so humane and enlightened."

Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide (or euthansia). My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."

http://cpforlife.org/id86.htm

[Chad Fairbanks]

If there is reasonable legal reason for intervention, I'm all for it - Provided the legal reason is a twisting or perversion of the law. I don't accept that under any circumstance.

[Chad Fairbanks]

That should read "Provided the legal reason is NOT a twisting or perversion of the law."

[Ohioan from Florida]

Good luck! My investigative skills aren't up to that standard! Perhaps someone else can help with a little more expertise in that arena. I do think a really good private investigator could pull some punches, if anyone knows someone who's willing to help Terri out in that regard. From the State website that I spoke of before, the last paperwork filed for them was some form for "administrative dissolution for annual report". I'm not sure what that even means, but my guess is they don't have to file an annual report for x number of years that have been approved. Totally a guess on my part. I know nothing about business law. All I can tell is that the status of the corp. is "inactive".

[deannadurbin]

>>You actually believe all Terri needs is rehab?

It was never even tried, so we don't know what kind of progress she could have made in all these years.

Face it, the "husband" is just finishing what he started all those long years ago. Nothing else mattered to Michael Schiavo but to shut her up and kill her.

Perhaps the most disgusting thing he did was withhold antibiotics from her several times when she had a urinary tract infection. Anyone who has ever had those knows how completely agonizingly painful they are. Nothing but an inhuman monster would deny a woman antibiotics for cystitis, much less ask her nurse at the time "is she dead yet?"

[narses]

A court order that creates a criminal end result is a nullity. In order to protect life, the police can move without warrant on to private property. Can they defy a court order? It has happened. More than one "Jim Crow" order was defied by President Eisenhower and Kennedy.

[Theodore R.]

The argument against federal encroachment and for states' rights was rejected in the civil rights era. The trouble is there are no "civil rights" for whites, like Terri. Civil rights are defined only for individuals who are members of protected minority groups. She does not qualify for civil rights, as I understand the legal concept, even as a disabled person. In fact, she is not a "person" under the law, but a possession of Michael Schiavo. Really, FL is bringing back the arguments long rejected in the 1857 case "Dred Scott v. Sandford."

I would argue that in this failed system we have today that "life, liberty, and property" have priority over the rights of the states. When a state in incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong, as is FL in this case, their must be a higher level of accountability.

And I think that you would not be arguing states' rights if there were other situations important to you where such flagrant horrors were being perpetrated.

You may even be so naive as to believe Michael Schiavo's claim that she wants to be dehydrated and starved.

[Calpernia]

>>>The ball is still in play in the state courts

Is it still really if a Federal Judge requested it? And the State hasn't responded?

[supercat]

You actually believe all Terri needs is rehab?

Perhaps not to live as full a life as you or I, but to be able to do things like feed herself quite possibly. Even if there were only a 5% chance of her improving, don't you think they should be required to at least try, especially given that $750K WAS AWARDED TO MR. SCHIAVO FOR THAT EXPRESS PURPOSE?

[Graymatter]

I guess I should just go out to the barn and hang myself in shame. I'm soooo bad.

Hanging Chad. Legal in FL.

[narses]

"If there is reasonable legal reason for intervention, I'm all for it -..."

I provided chapter and verse. You played word games. Your callous disregard for others is evidenced by your own words. Live with them, they're yours. Just like your mouth.

[alexandria]

Maybe you need to show them how it's done....

HI Krodg!

[Diva Betsy Ross]

You mean is not twisting of the law , right? If I had a nickle of the number of typos I have made I would be rich.

Have you read the Thomas more law Center letter. If yes, How do you feel about it? Is it twisting the law?

[Theodore R.]

I don't accept that under any circumstance

I believe that you would accept legal intervention under CERTAIN circumstances important to YOU. I suspect that your adherence to "constitutional" principle stops if you are the victim of some kind of great horror.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Anything in the constitution that is not explicitly given to the Federal government is the province of the states. Period. That is my belief, has always been my belief, and will always be my belief. Even if it were my ox being gored.

Let's see what the Florida Supreme court says on this matter tonight - if they make a decision. THEN we can look to see if there is a valid reason for the feds to intervene. I just don't see one - yet.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Yawn.

[Theodore R.]

This is a STATE issue however

What a laugh. This is a STATE issue because the FEDERAL COURT SAYS it is a state issue! No other reason

[litany_of_lies]

I know that Terri may need more than rehab, and may never again be a "productive" human being, according to cold utilitatarianism.

The fact remains that even the most elementary rehab hasn't been tried, that the parents are unconditionally willing to take custody of Terri, and that her adulterous vulture husband won't allow it. So IF she can't make it back, it's most likely his fault.

Y'know, sometimes the little details reveal the most. HE HASN'T LET ANYONE BRUSH HER TEETH FOR 10 YEARS, FOR GOD'S SAKE! This isn't guardianship, this is torture.

If I thought that a few years of rehab COULD get Terri to the point of saying/writing/communicating "I love you" just once, I as a parent would move mountains to do it.

Oh, and we haven't even gotten into the issue that if Terri ever got coherent again, she could testify to pattern of spousal abuse good old Mikey committed in the years leading up to her collapse. So is Mikey pulling the plug because "Terri said she wanted that," or is he afraid of doing time? I'd sure as hell like to know, and the way to find out is to try to get Terri back to coherence.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, my people WERE subjected to great horror - it was called genocide. However, THAT was a federal issue, as specified by the constitution. However, I try as hard as I can to abide by constitutional principles, and I avoid running to the feds - I view the federal government as something I don't trust on a good day. On bad days, it's even worse.

The day I run to the federal government whining and crying, is the say I want someone to put a bullet in my head.

[Chad Fairbanks]

No, it's a State issue because there is no constitutional basis for federal involvement - yet.