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Sick, wounded U.S. troops held in squalor
UPI ^ | Oct. 17, 2003 | MARK BENJAMIN

Posted on 10/17/2003 2:10:36 PM PDT by tomball

FORT STEWART, Ga., Oct. 17 (UPI) -- Hundreds of sick and wounded U.S. soldiers including many who served in the Iraq war are languishing in hot cement barracks here while they wait -- sometimes for months -- to see doctors.

The National Guard and Army Reserve soldiers' living conditions are so substandard, and the medical care so poor, that many of them believe the Army is trying push them out with reduced benefits for their ailments. One document shown to UPI states that no more doctor appointments are available from Oct. 14 through Nov. 11 -- Veterans Day.

"I have loved the Army. I have served the Army faithfully and I have done everything the Army has asked me to do," said Sgt. 1st Class Willie Buckels, a truck master with the 296th Transportation Company. Buckels served in the Army Reserves for 27 years, including Operation Iraqi Freedom and the first Gulf War. "Now my whole idea about the U.S. Army has changed. I am treated like a third-class citizen."

Since getting back from Iraq in May, Buckels, 52, has been trying to get doctors to find out why he has intense pain in the side of his abdomen since doubling over in pain there.

After waiting since May for a diagnosis, Buckels has accepted 20 percent of his benefits for bad knees and is going home to his family in Mississippi. "They have not found out what my side is doing yet, but they are still trying," Buckels said.

One month after President Bush greeted soldiers at Fort Stewart -- home of the famed Third Infantry Division -- as heroes on their return from Iraq, approximately 600 sick or injured members of the Army Reserves and National Guard are warehoused in rows of spare, steamy and dark cement barracks in a sandy field, waiting for doctors to treat their wounds or illnesses.

The Reserve and National Guard soldiers are on what the Army calls "medical hold," while the Army decides how sick or disabled they are and what benefits -- if any -- they should get as a result.

Some of the soldiers said they have waited six hours a day for an appointment without seeing a doctor. Others described waiting weeks or months without getting a diagnosis or proper treatment.

The soldiers said professional active duty personnel are getting better treatment while troops who serve in the National Guard or Army Reserve are left to wallow in medical hold.

"It is not an Army of One. It is the Army of two -- Army and Reserves," said one soldier who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom, during which she developed a serious heart condition and strange skin ailment.

A half-dozen calls by UPI seeking comment from Fort Stewart public affairs officials and U.S. Forces Command in Atlanta were not returned.

Soldiers here estimate that nearly 40 percent of the personnel now in medical hold were deployed to Iraq. Of those who went, many described clusters of strange ailments, like heart and lung problems, among previously healthy troops. They said the Army has tried to refuse them benefits, claiming the injuries and illnesses were due to a "pre-existing condition," prior to military service.

Most soldiers in medical hold at Fort Stewart stay in rows of rectangular, gray, single-story cinder block barracks without bathrooms or air conditioning. They are dark and sweltering in the southern Georgia heat and humidity. Around 60 soldiers cram in the bunk beds in each barrack.

Soldiers make their way by walking or using crutches through the sandy dirt to a communal bathroom, where they have propped office partitions between otherwise open toilets for privacy. A row of leaky sinks sits on an opposite wall. The latrine smells of urine and is full of bugs, because many windows have no screens. Showering is in a communal, cinder block room. Soldiers say they have to buy their own toilet paper.

They said the conditions are fine for training, but not for sick people.

"I think it is disgusting," said one Army Reserve member who went to Iraq and asked that his name not be used.

That soldier said that after being deployed in March he suffered a sudden onset of neurological symptoms in Baghdad that has gotten steadily worse. He shakes uncontrollably.

He said the Army has told him he has Parkinson's Disease and it was a pre-existing condition, but he thinks it was something in the anthrax shots the Army gave him.

"They say I have Parkinson's, but it is developing too rapidly," he said. "I did not have a problem until I got those shots."

First Sgt. Gerry Mosley crossed into Iraq from Kuwait on March 19 with the 296th Transportation Company, hauling fuel while under fire from the Iraqis as they traveled north alongside combat vehicles. Mosley said he was healthy before the war; he could run two miles in 17 minutes at 48 years old.

But he developed a series of symptoms: lung problems and shortness of breath; vertigo; migraines; and tinnitus. He also thinks the anthrax vaccine may have hurt him. Mosley also has a torn shoulder from an injury there.

Mosley says he has never been depressed before, but found himself looking at shotguns recently and thought about suicide.

Mosley is paying $300 a month to get better housing than the cinder block barracks. He has a notice from the base that appears to show that no more doctor appointments are available for reservists from Oct. 14 until Nov. 11. He said he has never been treated like this in his 30 years in the Army Reserves.

"Now, I would not go back to war for the Army," Mosley said.

Many soldiers in the hot barracks said regular Army soldiers get to see doctors, while National Guard and Army Reserve troops wait.

"The active duty guys that are coming in, they get treated first and they put us on hold," said another soldier who returned from Iraq six weeks ago with a serious back injury. He has gotten to see a doctor only two times since he got back, he said.

Another Army Reservist with the 149th Infantry Battalion said he has had real trouble seeing doctors about his crushed foot he suffered in Iraq. "There are not enough doctors. They are overcrowded and they can't perform the surgeries that have to be done," that soldier said. "Look at these mattresses. It hurts just to sit on them," he said, gesturing to the bunks. "There are people here who got back in April but did not get their surgeries until July. It is putting a lot on these families."

The Pentagon is reportedly drawing up plans to call up more reserves.

In an Oct. 9 speech to National Guard and reserve troops in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Bush said the soldiers had become part of the backbone of the military.

"Citizen-soldiers are serving in every front on the war on terror," Bush said. "And you're making your state and your country proud."
 



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To: tomball
If this is true, it should be investigated and remedied in a speedy manner.

What bothers me is the lack of sources in the column. I have been and always will be critical of news that does not mention credible sources from which the information was gathered.

Although his ilness/injuries are painful, one or two soldiers does not make enough credible evidence for me to consider it as an authoritative column.
21 posted on 10/17/2003 2:34:28 PM PDT by illiac
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To: MineralMan
Hohenfels? Graf? Camp Bedrock? Camp Dobol? I've spent years of my military career in places like this. Years.

What some here fail to realize is even if you are on profile you can still be placed in a training environment. Sure, barracks in garrison had a latrine indoors that smelled like piss. But garrison should not be considered normal life for a soldier.

In FT Benning there are outhouses that have so many black widow spiders and yellow jackets they are a health hazard to use. Military life is not civilian life. Civilians reading about military life and attitudes are often shocked by what they hear because they cannot imagine living like that themselves.

Some people will be affected immediately by the author's slant on things. However, those that take a bit of perspective realize that you knew fellows like this in every company you ever served in. Guys that managed to get a profile to counter every bit of training or PT. Perpetual limp dicks.

I don't doubt some of the soldiers at this "hell-hole" are legitimately injured but what I saw described here was within the bounds of military life- pure and simple. Moving about on crutches? Long waits for appointments? Communal showers/latrines? And? Sounds normal to me.

22 posted on 10/17/2003 2:35:14 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Tragically Single
"The conditions in these barracks are deplorable. One entire company in my battalion contracted scabies due to the unsanitary conditions. Those barracks in the National Guard Training Center at Ft. Stewart are an insult to our soldiers.

But then again, I'm just a dumb-@$$ grunt -- what do I know?"

Thanks for the actual report from someone who has been there. Is it just the Guard that has these antiquated facilities, or are they common throughout the base?

23 posted on 10/17/2003 2:35:43 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Tragically Single
Bump.
24 posted on 10/17/2003 2:36:04 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary. (Merge Right!))
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To: Tragically Single
The conditions in these barracks are deplorable.

Bollocks. I dealt with these kinds of conditions you can deal with it too. The world doesn't get any softer just because current generations of American youth do.

Scabies? And? I've had that myself. The medics gave me a something for it and I drove on with a hard on.

The harshness of training is to prepare you for the even greater harshness of deployment. If you can't take the harshness of training, you will not be able to take the harshness of combat. Harsh training conditions should be considered an asset not an insult.

11 series here for 8 years active.

25 posted on 10/17/2003 2:39:37 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
"The harshness of training is to prepare you for the even greater harshness of deployment. If you can't take the harshness of training, you will not be able to take the harshness of combat. Harsh training conditions should be considered an asset not an insult."

Bullhockey. You didn't read the story. These guys aren't there for training. They're back from Iraq, ill or injured. Don't give me that nonsense about how tough you were. We should not be treating ill and injured soldiers who have come back from Iraq that way.

You're welcome to live in a place with an outside latrine. It's OK with me. I'm a little concerned about returning soldiers who apparently need medical assessment and treatment but who _may_ not be getting it. I want some investigation.

I have no doubt that your a tough guy. You don't have to prove anything to me. I don't care what conditions you had. I want better treatment for returning soldiers that what this story _seems_ to indicate.
26 posted on 10/17/2003 2:45:17 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Tragically Single
Most installations have areas like this: Ft. Drum, Ft. Lewis, Ft. Stewart...and it usually there where they dump the RC guys who are on the installation for training. At Ft. Lewis for instance (North Fort) the barracks were built in the 1940's and designed to last for 5 years...they are still in use. There is normally no $$ in an installation's budget to pay for renovating these or even to tear them down. You really have to experience them to believe the conditions we regularly put the RC guys in.
They ARE treated like 2nd class citizens by the Active Component folks...and are routinely categorized as "whiners" whenever they speak up about it.
Sadly, most AC commanders have never spent a day in the RC, or even worked with them...they would never allow their own troops to be treated the way the Guard and Reserve guys are: broken equipment, out of date weapons, protective and communications gear, and derision by the AC units they are assigned to support.
It is a wonder any of them re-enlist.
regards,
27 posted on 10/17/2003 2:46:52 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: MineralMan
I didn't read the article? Only 40% of these soldiers are from Iraqi deployment. What about the other 60%?

What are there ailments? Do you know? I don't think you do. We have one soldier who complained of side pain and has already gotten a 20% for knees. Without knowing the specifics of each soldier's case, you cannot make a judgement on whether it is justified for each soldier to be housed in these conditions. Plain and simple. Having to trudge on crutches across dirt though is nothing new in the military.

28 posted on 10/17/2003 2:51:08 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Thunder 6
"It is a wonder any of them re-enlist.
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It is, isn't it? Maybe we'll be seeing a drop in the number of Reservists out there after a bit. We seem to be relying heavily on them in Iraq, but not giving them the support they deserve.

Since Bush says that we're going to be relying on Reservists a lot in the future, I guess we'd better set about making their life a lot closer to the AC.
29 posted on 10/17/2003 2:52:03 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Mosley said he was healthy before the war; he could run two miles in 17 minutes at 48 years old.

I'll put it to you like this: this might be considered a good time in the civilian world but he was practically walking in the military world.

30 posted on 10/17/2003 2:53:25 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
"...has just managed to get a 20% for... Knee problems."

Every straight leg, and especially Airborne, has knee problems after a few years.

31 posted on 10/17/2003 2:53:36 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: MineralMan
I want more information here.

Read the byline (UPI) that satisfied my hunger for additional information.

All of the first hand accounts in the story don't even touch on the serious accusations being made by editorial comment. Most of the first hand accounts describe the military medical system as I have known it for the past 30 years. Priority was always given to active duty, then activated reserve, then reserve, then Guard, then retirees on a space available basis.

To those of us who know the military medical system, there is nothing in this article that even stands out as unusual.

Having said all that, I would still much rather have a military medic in time of war than a participating Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO provider.

32 posted on 10/17/2003 2:53:54 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Thunder 6
well, we should all thank allah that at least no one is allowing the prisoners at gitmo to be treated humanely.
33 posted on 10/17/2003 2:53:59 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: Prodigal Son
"What are there ailments? Do you know? I don't think you do. "

Neither do you, yet you've decided they're whiners. I want this INVESTIGATED. You want them to just shut up. Which of us do you suppose is supporting our troops?

Neither of us knows what the situation actually is. Let's find out, OK?
34 posted on 10/17/2003 2:56:28 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
P.S. Note that the article does not mention one combat related injury or affliction.
35 posted on 10/17/2003 2:56:36 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Leisler
Oh I have knee problems. My point was- his complaint was a side pain.
36 posted on 10/17/2003 2:57:10 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: tomball
Hundreds of sick and wounded U.S. soldiers including many who served in the Iraq war are languishing in hot cement barracks here while they wait -- sometimes for months -- to see doctors.

This is your life under socialized medicine - Any questions?

37 posted on 10/17/2003 2:57:41 PM PDT by 2banana
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To: MineralMan
Neither do you, yet you've decided they're whiners.

Oh, I haven't decided they're whiners- or limp dicks. I'm simply saying the conditions as described in this article are not as bad as the "journalist" makes them out to be. I am quite certain (and have stated as much) that some of these soldiers are legitimate injuries.

38 posted on 10/17/2003 2:59:15 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
I would like to note in reference to this particular post on my part- at his age group, 17 minutes is quite a respectable time. He would get a score of 80 on that portion of the APFT.
39 posted on 10/17/2003 3:01:25 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: tomball
Camp Swift in Texas has the cinder block and communal shower motif. Except for the fact that the cinder blocks are unpainted it is very much like my college dorm.
40 posted on 10/17/2003 3:02:32 PM PDT by Pilsner
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