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US troops question presence in Iraq
Guardian Unlimited ^ | 10-17-03 | Suzanne Goldenberg

Posted on 10/17/2003 10:53:32 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy

US troops question presence in Iraq

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington Friday October 17, 2003 The Guardian

A sizeable portion of US forces serving in Iraq describe troop morale as low, and say they have no intention of re-enlisting, damaging the campaign by the US government to brighten up the image of the postwar occupation.

The survey of 1,935 troops, published in a series of special reports on Iraq in the Stars and Stripes newspaper, also found that a significant number of troops were confused about the purpose of their presence, and had lost faith in their mission.

Coinciding with the report, the army yesterday admitted that at least 13 US troops had committed suicide in Iraq, representing more than 10% of American non-combat deaths there, and said the army had sent a suicide-prevention expert to Iraq.

Stars and Stripes, which is funded by the Pentagon, says it embarked on the project after receiving scores of letters from disenchanted servicemen.

The mailbags belied claims last week by President Bush that increasingly negative public perceptions of Iraq were a product of media spin, and that those who had been there held different views. Not so those for serving up to 12 months in Iraq, according to Stars and Strips, which noted that the troops' views stood in sharp contrast to those of senior officials on brief visits to Iraq.

Yesterday the newspaper quoted an unidentified master sergeant as saying that the delegations of officers and Congressmen only met small groups of specially selected soldiers. "They stacked the deck," he says.

Instead, 49% of those who answered the newspaper's questionnaire rated the morale of their unit as low or very low, 49% said it was unlikely they would re-enlist, and 31% said they thought the war had not been worthwhile.

Stars and Stripes noted that soldiers who were open about morale problems had at times faces disciplinary action. Although the malaise appears to be linked to uncertainty about the length of tours of duty in Iraq, pay scales, and conditions on the ground, another significant factor appears to be the meaning of their mission. Stars and Strips said 35% of respondents complained their mission was not clearly defined. It quotes a member of the National Guard as saying: "We're in the dark."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; mediabias; morale; starsandstripes; zot
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1 posted on 10/17/2003 10:53:32 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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2 posted on 10/17/2003 10:54:20 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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3 posted on 10/17/2003 10:55:02 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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4 posted on 10/17/2003 10:55:32 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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5 posted on 10/17/2003 10:56:21 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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6 posted on 10/17/2003 10:56:58 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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7 posted on 10/17/2003 11:00:21 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: PatrioticCowboy
As any regular reader of the Stars and Stripes can attest, that rag has always been a megaphone for the the sadsacks and yardbirds.
8 posted on 10/17/2003 11:00:39 AM PDT by been_lurking
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9 posted on 10/17/2003 11:00:45 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: been_lurking
Are you for real?
10 posted on 10/17/2003 11:01:10 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: PatrioticCowboy
As most would know when you have a self-selected response devise you are going to get skewed results. Let's see the troops that do not feel this way are not motivated to respond. So it's inlikely that this is anywhere close to an accurate or representative poll.
11 posted on 10/17/2003 11:03:03 AM PDT by marlon
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To: PatrioticCowboy
More bad news Cowboy? Let's throw it on the pile as well.

Patriotic Cowboy's daily bad news from the front threads:

  1. US soldier killed in Iraq rocket attack

  2. Suspected Taliban destroy Afghan police station

  3. Bomb Kills U.S. Soldier in Restive Iraqi Town

  4. US Soldiers Injured In Baghdad

  5. America's Hidden Battlefield Toll

  6. Three Three U.S. soldiers wounded in attack in Iraq

  7. Wounded Billed For Hospital Food
  8. Two U.S. Soldiers Killed, 7 Wounded in Iraq Raid

  9. Kabul hit by second explosion in a day

  10. Masked Guerrillas Battle U.S. Soldiers in Iraq

  11. U.S. Soldier Killed By Homemade Bomb In Iraq

  12. U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraq Attack -U.S. Military

  13. Car Bomb at US Military Outpost near Arbil Northern Iraq~~~ there are wounded.

  14. Fourteen Wounded In Iraq

  15. US Soldier Dies In Convoy Atack

  16. 2 U.S. soldiers wounded in Afghan attacks

  17. Three troops killed in Basra attack

  18. 2 More US Soldiers Die In Iraq

  19. U.S. Soldier Killed in Action in Iraq, Army Says

  20. US Soldier Killed During Fighting In Iraq

  21. Four U.S. Soldiers Wounded By Makeshift Bomb In Iraq

  22. American Soldier Killed In Afghanistan

  23. US Soldier Killed, Two Wounded In Baghdad

  24. American Soldier Killed In Afghanistan

  25. US Soldier Killed In Iraq

  26. Troops Wounded In Action Not Listed Among Casualties

  27. Ten Policemen Killed In Worsening Afghan Violence

  28. Rebel Violence Intensifies In Afghanistan

  29. U.S Soldier Dies In Blast In Iraq; 2 Hurt In Attack

  30. Remember Afghanistan?

  31. U-S Military Reports Another American Soldier Killed In Iraq

  32. Two Taleban Attacks In Afghanistan Kill 25 People

  33. Two U-S Soldiers Injured; Two Iraqis Killed In Separate Incidents

  34. Suspected Taliban Attack Second Police Station In Southeast Afghanistan, Take Four Hostages

  35. Five US Soldiers Wounded"

  36. Wave Of Sabotage Hits Iraq, Baghdad Jail Attacked

  37. 22 Killed In Afghanistan Battle

  38. Danish Soldier Killed, Two U.S. Soldiers Wounded

  39. U.S. to Withhold Some Funds from Israel

  40. U.S. army says 15 Taliban killed

  41. More US soldiers wounded in Iraq

  42. Iraq: Four U.S. Soldiers Reported Wounded In Separate Attacks

  43. Mortars Kill 2 U.S. Soldiers, Wound 13 in Iraq

  44. Odigo says workers were warned of attack

  45. 8 US soldiers wounded in Iraq attack, 1 person killed in bomb at NBC HQ

  46. US soldier killed in Kirkuk

  47. Taliban kill Afghan governor's bodyguards

  48. BOMBERS KILL US SOLDIER

  49. U.S. Soldier Killed in Attack Northeast of Baghdad

  50. Rumsfeld 'Surprised' by Saddam Loyalists

  51. CIA HQ Possibly Target of Baghdad Blast

  52. Taliban Kill Eight Policemen in Afghan Attack

  53. Afghans fail to find 41 Taliban jailbreakers

  54. Roadside Bomb Wounds Three U.S. Soldiers in Iraq

  55. Landmine Kills US Soldier in Iraq

  56. U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraqi Town of Tikrit

  57. Four soldiers hurt in Basra blast

  58. US soldier killed in Iraq ambush

  59. Taliban militants attack security officers

  60. Bomb Narrowly Misses Governor Of Iraqi Province -NYT

  61. Three U.S. Soldiers Killed in 24-Hour Period

  62. 3 US soldiers dead in Iraq

  63. US explores its Afghanistan exit options

  64. Suicide bombing outside Turkish mission in Baghdad - report

  65. Soldier killed in traffic crash in Iraq

  66. 9 U.S. Soldiers Die in 7 Separate Incidents in Iraq

  67. Blasts rock coalition headquarters

  68. Car bomb explodes in northern Iraq

  69. US death toll in Iraq exceeds 100

  70. Deadly roadside bombing in Baghdad


12 posted on 10/17/2003 11:03:17 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: PatrioticCowboy
Instead, 49% of those who answered the newspaper's questionnaire rated the morale of their unit as low or very low, 49% said it was unlikely they would re-enlist, and 31% said they thought the war had not been worthwhile.

In other words, 1/2 of those who answered the questionnaire (what was the response rate, I wonder?) said their morale was high or very high, 51% said it was likely they would re-enlist (what's the normal re-enlistment rate during peacetime?) and a WHOPPING 69%, over 2/3, in other words, a SUPER-MAJORITY, thought that the war has been worthwhile.

13 posted on 10/17/2003 11:05:15 AM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: PatrioticCowboy
Are you for real?

Well, I'm for real, and he's right: S&S is a lot more oriented towards the shitbirds than most civilians realize. Too bad so many people think it is the DoD's baby.

'Cause it ain't.

BTW, posting another version of this does make me wonder if the others have you pegged.

14 posted on 10/17/2003 11:05:18 AM PDT by niteowl77 (If you haven't prayed for our troops, please start; if you stopped, then do some catching up.)
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To: PatrioticCowboy
By the way, this was already posted and discussed a couple of times yesterday.
15 posted on 10/17/2003 11:05:30 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Are you cyber-stalking me?
16 posted on 10/17/2003 11:05:39 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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I can understand some of the gripes from the Reserves and the Guard units, (mainly for the hardships at home caused by the call up) but it is war, and one is expected to carry out their duties. (Note, many of the units called up were units that are no longer fully manned in the Army i.e. Civil Affairs Units.) Lucky for them it isn't for "the duration" as it was for those in WWII. When we volunteer we don't volunteer to serve for a specified period in any particular theater. We just can't say: "Its getting rough and fustrating I think I'd like to go home now". Hopefully help is on the way, and I would still like to see those Japanese troops take over the prisons!
17 posted on 10/17/2003 11:06:26 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary where are you today? What have you personally accomplished for NY?)
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To: PatrioticCowboy
This just doesn't pass the smell test.
18 posted on 10/17/2003 11:06:28 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Prodigal Son; All
Why are you so obsessed with me?

You got a gay crush on me?
19 posted on 10/17/2003 11:06:53 AM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: dighton
Dude's going strong today.
20 posted on 10/17/2003 11:07:14 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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