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Jeb Bush Wimping Out in Schiavo Case?
NewsMax ^ | 10/17/03 | Limbacher

Posted on 10/17/2003 9:20:22 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Thursday that his legal team has been unable to find a basis for him to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo, who is expected to starve to death as soon as this weekend after her feeding tube was removed at the direction of her husband yesterday.

"The legal office has been talking to people trying to find some strategy where my office can intervene in a different fashion that will yield a different result," Bush said Thursday. "So far we have not found that option."

Gov. Bush's comments came before Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, met with him privately to present a letter from Florida's Thomas More Law Center citing a legal basis for the state to intervene to stop what one attorney described as "the execution of Terri Schiavo."

"We're waiting to hear from Gov. Bush" on the Thomas More letter, Mr. Schindler told national talk radio host Sean Hannity Thursday afternoon. Schindler said Gov. Bush's response is "probably is our last hope."

By Friday morning, Bush's office gave no hint that he had reached a decision. Thursday night Mr. Schindler told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" that his daughter could die as early as this weekend if medical staff begin administering morphine to counter the pain of her starvation.

The Republican governor's caution over the legal technicalities of the case stands in marked contrast to the actions of Democrats, who often take a shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later approach when an issue of importance hangs in the balance.

In April 2000, for instance, the Clinton administration didn't let the law interfere with its plan to return 6-year-old boat boy Elian Gonzalez to Castro's Cuba. Instead of waiting for Gonzalez's legal case to play out in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, Attorney General Janet Reno executed White House plans to have the boy kidnapped from the home of his Miami relatives at machine gunpoint.

Normally Clinton-friendly legal powerhouse attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Lawrence Tribe were horrified, publicly condemning the raid as unconstitutional.

Gov. Bush reaction? He called the action "unconscionable" but showed no interest in pursuing legal sanctions against the White House.

When Republicans in Congress called for a congressional investigation into the Clinton administration's abuse of power in the Elian case, top aides to then-presidential candidate George Bush derailed the idea.

"A top Republican Party official told The Daily News that Bush campaign manager Joe Allbaugh informed Senate Republicans on Thursday that the candidate wanted the hearings scrapped because the issue is a political loser," reported the New York paper a week after the raid.

As it turned out, voter backlash over the Elian raid among Florida's Cuban-American community gave President Bush his razor thin margin of victory in the 2000 election.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: govbush; schiavo
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To: Jorge
It is his job to enforce the law. His is failing in that and an innocent women will die. He will NEVER get any support from the cultural conservatives again if he fails to act now.
121 posted on 10/17/2003 8:30:46 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: deannadurbin
But then at least Terri would LIVE. I personally don't care if Godzilla saves her, I just wish SOMEBODY WOULD!

Beware what you ask--you seek a man on horseback.

And you might not like what happens after you get the man on horseback.

122 posted on 10/17/2003 8:32:10 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Ciexyz
I can't believe that the state denies her food and water--but will allow injections of morphine to lessen the pain of starvation. Dear God in Heaven!

Dear God in heaven...if I was suffering in a hopelessly vegetative state, I might indeed prefer the morphine to being sustained day after day, for years on end by a machine in such a painful existance.

123 posted on 10/17/2003 8:33:27 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Constantine XIII
We must oppose murder. Actually murder is a legal term.

I do not argue this point much because I believe that I am ahead of the curve on this. Society is not yey ready to give up this type of terminal punishment for wrongdoing. But I do not believe that it is the deterrent that they say it is.

It jus seemed to me that to respect life, one cannot pick and choose which to repect. to make that decision is a judgment that we really never were given the power to do.

I think it is more for the victim. An eye for an eye and all that Old Testament stuff.(not a bible wonk)

Anyway, the statement felt like the right thing, and serious offenders really are in hell while in long captivity. Death is too easy for them.

now, to get to your point which I belive is the current case of Terri.

The legal precedents are to, when a family member is deemed to never recover and to be totally incapacitated and would die without medical intervention then this decision of life or prolonged dying can be made by the family menber with legal standing.

As I understand, the girls family has been using every method possible to take that standing away from the son in law. Every method.

Up to now, none of the accusations seem to have merit. the legal system there has not agreed to them and the courts have ruled to allow this under protection of law.

Therefore, it cannot be called murder.

I suppose I would call it mercy killing. It is more to the point.I do not know if I would do this to my wife. I really do not know, but I have thought about doing something like that to a brother of mine. he has passed now, but he sure would have been spared a lot of misery if I had done what was on my mind. (I would have been arrested for murder however)

124 posted on 10/17/2003 8:39:22 PM PDT by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: No More Gore Anymore
No justice for Terri, No votes for Jeb 2008


If Terry dies he better change his name to Gov. Jeb Reno because he will be no different than lesbian Janet. I hope Gov. Bush keeps that in mind and acts soon because Terry doesn't have 14 days specially if her Kevorkian husband and killer medical staff has other "therapies" in mind.

125 posted on 10/17/2003 8:41:50 PM PDT by GHCubana (FIRST DO NO HARM)
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To: narses
It is his job to enforce the law. His is failing in that and an innocent women will die. He will NEVER get any support from the cultural conservatives again if he fails to act now.

Fine.
Perhaps when you are suffering in a hopelessly terminal state of existance, hooked up to machines with no chance of recovery.....THEN you can petition the Governor to make sure NOBODY allows you the grace to die naturally without artificial means to extend your suffering longer.

126 posted on 10/17/2003 8:42:19 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Jeb needs better lawyers. The Schindlers have definitely needed better lawyers. What's with the lawyers in Florida? Are their brains fried with all the heat?
127 posted on 10/17/2003 8:44:22 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Poohbah
>>Beware what you ask--you seek a man on horseback.
>>And you might not like what happens after you get the man on horseback.

Oh yes, I would!

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." - Rev.19:11-16
128 posted on 10/17/2003 8:45:26 PM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: Jorge
A non sequiter jorgy. She isn't terminal. She has a chance of recovery.
129 posted on 10/17/2003 8:45:33 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Jorge
>>die naturally without artificial means

Food and water is not "artificial means"
130 posted on 10/17/2003 8:47:10 PM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: deannadurbin
Ahem.

I wasn't talking about THAT man on horseback.
131 posted on 10/17/2003 8:47:35 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
>>I wasn't talking about THAT man on horseback.

You should have been.

132 posted on 10/17/2003 8:49:37 PM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: deannadurbin
Food and water is not "artificial means"

When a person can't eat or drink and is hooked up to a machine to sustain them for over 10 years..that is articificial.

133 posted on 10/17/2003 8:50:02 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: wirestripper
The word "murder" had meaning long before lawyers got hold of it. By this reasoning, Stephen Hawking's wife would be entitled to have him starved to death should he lose the use of his last fingertip, irregardless of the fact that there will soon be technology that will ones such has himself to communicate by focusing his mind in a certain way. Wouldn't you agree that this would be murder, especially if Dr. Hawking did not agree but could not say so?

134 posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:18 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Jorge
>>When a person can't eat or drink and is hooked up to a machine to sustain them for over 10 years..that is articificial.

The tube is artificial, the food and water is not.

The very reason she wasn't helped to re-learn to eat was because of her "loving husband", who used the money meant for Terri's rehabilitation on his legal fees to have her killed instead.
135 posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:51 PM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: Jorge
Please take a peek at post 134...
136 posted on 10/17/2003 8:54:42 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: AnimalLover
Have you been calling this number?

Gov. Bush's office: 1-850-488-4441

137 posted on 10/17/2003 8:59:15 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: itsahoot
Besides Sink, I get to rattle your box, like I did when I killed your vote for Arnie.

HA! I live in Texas.

And, Arnie won anyway.

138 posted on 10/17/2003 9:01:31 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! Save a life, and maybe you'll save your own, too!)
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To: Jorge
"Perhaps when you are suffering in a hopelessly terminal state of existance, hooked up to machines with no chance of recovery.....THEN you can petition the Governor to make sure NOBODY allows you the grace to die naturally without artificial means to extend your suffering longer."

Oh fer crying out loud, are you talking about a different case here? Terri is not dying, at least she wasn't until they started starving her to death! She doesn't have a terminal illness like cancer or AIDS. She is brain damaged, but she is conscious, she laughs, smiles, cries and tries to speak... and according to many doctors, she can improve with therapy (which has been denied to her by her husband in the last 10 years)

Please get your facts straight. Intentionally STARVING SOMEONE TO DEATH is not "letting them die naturally", just as if you purposely witheld food from an infant, it wouldn't be "letting them die", it's MURDER.

139 posted on 10/17/2003 9:04:48 PM PDT by incindiary
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To: Constantine XIII
especially if Dr. Hawking did not agree but could not say so?

LOL! sure sounds like murder to me. But Hawking's is not what we have with this poor girl.

I am not a doctor and nobody has access to the medical records. In view of that I cannot comment on her condition exactly, but must assume that she meets or exceeds the legalities involved in deciding this issue. (regardless of what the girls family is representing as fact as they are hostile witnesses in this argument)

Common sense is all I really have to decide how I feel about this and my common sense says that others who are in a much more informed position, (other than the girls family) have looked and delved deeply into this matter numerous times.

That is really all I can say and others here have the same info. it is just that others have sided with the family with no legal standing in this issue and they are most definitely hostile to this son in law.

More than one judge has decided over the past years in the man's favor.

If law enforcement, (a tool of justice) had any reservations about this man, they would have stepped forward, don't you think?

If the judges that have made decisions in this case had any reservations at all, they would have delayed or not made any judgment wouldn't you think?

I just can't see this any other way, but perhaps I am wrong. I don't feel wrong, but I have been wrong before, I will admit.

I would need to talk to the son in law to be sure, and his words are a bit scarce in any of the media reports. in fact, he is not defending himself at all. I assumed this to be an effort to keep himself out of the spotlight and probably on his lawyers advice.

They sure are beating him up in the internet press.

140 posted on 10/17/2003 9:20:19 PM PDT by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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