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Jeb Bush Wimping Out in Schiavo Case?
NewsMax ^ | 10/17/03 | Limbacher

Posted on 10/17/2003 9:20:22 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: pdunkin
...it drives me crazy to think that some judge could just out of the blue decide that their life is useless and that they should just be forced to die of dehydration.

Out of the blue?

A person is trapped in a vegetative state of existance for 13 years with no hope of recovery and you call this decision "out of the blue"?

I'm sure there are many good arguments as to why this woman should be kept alive by artificial means, let's try to stick to the rational ones.

201 posted on 10/19/2003 7:14:44 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: honeygrl
BUMPing the post i'm replying to. The source for that is http://www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm . The thread for the Press Release that was made regarding it was pulled because a source for the info wasn't linked I think. It IS on their website as breaking news though!
202 posted on 10/19/2003 7:23:17 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Jeb Bush get Florida Catholic Archbishop to annul Terri's marriage from her abusive husband, in that his intent has been to withhold care and nutrition and treatment for his wife. This is a violation of the marriage contract.

Also, Terri's husband is treating his wife like chattel. A slave. America got rid of slavery in 1860 and all men and women are created equal. This is a violation of Terri's civil rights.

But, most of all Governor Bush, you know that this order handed down by a black robed judge to execute Terri through starvation is cruel and inhumane punishment, can be turned over by you, and damn the naysayers.

203 posted on 10/19/2003 7:37:32 PM PDT by harpo11 (Rush, He Ain't Heavy, He's Our Brother..Counting Day 9--21 to Go! Best Wishes, Godspeed. Rush!)
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To: Jorge
First of all not all doctors agree that Terri is in a permanant vegitave state. Many people being fed by tubes are blind, mute and bedridden. If you are blind you can not see, if you are mute you can not talk and if you are paralyzed you can not move. Many people are all three. So how would you know what the state of their mind is since they can not in any way connect with you. This is the case of many people with the same disease as Larenzo. What is it about Terri that is different? I will tell you. She can see, she can hear and she reacts to the spoken word. Look at the videoes of her. I contend that she is much more interactive than a lot of people in her condition. What is going on in Florida is a capitol offense and it is against the law of man. Maybe you forgot this, "Thou shalt not kill".
204 posted on 10/20/2003 3:43:51 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Jorge
The fact is legal euthanasia occurs all the time in FLA and every other state.

Just because murder is legal doesn't mean we should just idly accept it.

205 posted on 10/21/2003 5:12:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
"The fact is legal euthanasia occurs all the time in FLA and every other state."

Just because murder is legal doesn't mean we should just idly accept it.

Murder?
Unless we use every machine and artificial means available.... to extend a person's suffering as long as possible, regardless of the fact they have no hope of recovery, you say we are "murdering" them?

Living wills are written all the time to prevent the sort of misguided heroics some in this thread suggest is our moral obligation.

This is sad.

206 posted on 10/21/2003 6:36:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Murder? Unless we use every machine and artificial means available.... to extend a person's suffering as long as possible, regardless of the fact they have no hope of recovery, you say we are "murdering" them?

We're not talking about "every machine and artificial means available" in this case. The feeding tube in question is simply a low-tech pipe inserting water and food into her stomach. There has been no discussion of simplifying that even further by just putting food in her mouth.

Is there "no hope of recovery"? Part of the problem in this case is that the husband tasked with making that decision has at least one (if not several) ulterior motive for just declaring "no hope of recovery" lest she indeed recover and accuse him of violent crimes, not to mention his new girlfriend with a baby on the way.

If you refrain from putting food in a baby's mouth for a few weeks, that's murder - plain and simple. This case is little different, as all Shiavo needs is a simple, low-tech delivery of food - and to deny her that basic need (when that's all she needs) is murder.

Interesting that you equate the simplest of medical care with (to wit) "extraordinary measures", caring for the ill with "extending suffering", and a long-term illness with "no hope of recovery". Let me rephrase your accusation: Using simple & ancient medical techniques.... to care for an ill person as long as possible, in the reasonable hope they may recover, you say we should kill them thru neglect?

Living wills are written all the time

There was no such "living will" in this case. Unless there is one, we MUST assume the patient would choose to live.

207 posted on 10/21/2003 8:25:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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