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Conservative attorneys urging Bush to intervene in Schiavo case
Florida Times Union ^ | Thursday, October 16, 2003 | MITCH STACY

Posted on 10/16/2003 12:12:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Edited on 04/21/2004 9:00:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - The parents of a severely brain-damaged woman and others fighting to keep her alive stepped up the pressure on Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene in the case Thursday.

The feeding tube keeping Terri Schiavo alive was removed Wednesday, culminating a decade-long legal fight between her parents and her husband. Doctors say she will live as long as two weeks without it.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; prolife; righttolife; terrischiavo
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To: Capitalist Eric
Please explain your version of "reality".
21 posted on 10/16/2003 12:35:20 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Capitalist Eric
I hope you have an asbestos suit.

Only one point of view is acceptable to most of the flaming posters.

If you disagree, you are "evil."

22 posted on 10/16/2003 12:35:56 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Capitalist Eric
That the poor husband has waited for some resolution to this for 13 years, says a LOT about him...

LOL, this has to be the funniest post I've seen here in quite awhile. Check up on the facts of this case before you throw any sympathy toward this monster. My God, he won't even allow Terri's mother in the room as her daughter is dying, the SOB.

23 posted on 10/16/2003 12:38:17 PM PDT by dougherty (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Capitalist Eric
"Her brain is gone, she's as cognitive as a turnip."

I took the time to check out some of the films of her. She's most definetly aware of things and people around her, and as far as what she is and is not capable of doing in the future, we have not the foggiest idea because her ex-husband has denied her even a -moment- of rehabilitation. But there's a whole suite of doctors who say she could make a tremendous amount of progress if only she could be given some sort of rehab.

The fact that her husband hasn't even permitted such attempts at rehab in 13 years - THAT is what speaks volumes.

Qwinn
24 posted on 10/16/2003 12:40:26 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: nickcarraway
He should intervene.

Why doesn't someone go in and put a pillow over her face, and suffocate her to death?

After all, she is supposedly just a vegetable right now, wasting money, taking up a hospital bed.

Why not save the money and free up the bed, as soon as possible?

Something stops us. Something tied to our humanity.

And how it gets lost in the transition between smothering her and starving her to death befuddles, saddens, and nauseates me.

We even made Timothy McVeigh's execution as fast and humane as possible. She doesn't get that, though, in order to somehow protect us from the fact that society is basically doing the same thing, for the same reasons, as if we went into her room and smothered her. By changing it to passively 'allowing' her to starve herself, we delude ourselves to think we are not actively killing her.

How tragic.

25 posted on 10/16/2003 12:40:55 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: sarasota
Do any of them (my liberal acquaintances) belong to NOW?
LOL, no, they are all on this planet.
26 posted on 10/16/2003 12:45:21 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: EggsAckley; nickcarraway; dixiegrrl
My, MY... A lot of emotional outbursts, yet nobody can give me a straight answer...

I hope and pray that YOU don't ever end up like Terri! But if YOU do I hope that people show more compassion for YOU than YOU seem to have for other people!!!

This is a perfect example. After having watched some close relatives go through this, I asked my family (and they asked me) to not allow them to be artificially kept alive, if any of us got to a vegetative state, beyond any hope of recovery. I know first-hand what such measures do, and what the ultimate conclusion will still be. None of us (in my family) want to be brought so low...

The husband likely put her in this condition.

That is for a court of law to decide. You are making assumptions.

He is now obstructing justice. Do you think it's a good presidence to have on the books to allow a criminal to be in charge of the evidence.

If he is responsible, then it's very unlikely that anything new will be found at an autopsy, that hasn't already been determined by CAT scans, MRIs and the like. Again, you're making assumptions.

You obviously have not read ONE of the threads and links about Terri. I suggest you get to it; you're embarassing yourself here.

Nope. NOT embarrassed in the slightest. I ask an honest question, and I'm attacked for asking it??? And for the record, no, I haven't bothered to read the previous threads, since (as I already explained) I don't get the disconnect from reality that seems to have befallen all of the breathless, emotional participants on this subject.

I ask again, why???

27 posted on 10/16/2003 12:45:29 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
"So why do we keep hearing about this, from people who don't understand the reality of the situation...?"

Are you referring to people who don't understand the reality of the situation - LIKE YOU??

28 posted on 10/16/2003 12:45:39 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: nickcarraway
We got to get the quiet State Assembly involved too...


http://www.flsenate.gov


It's 75%(-/+) GOP controlled....
29 posted on 10/16/2003 12:47:19 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: george wythe
If you disagree, you are "evil."

LOL... Yes, of course!!! The emotionalism I inadvertantly tapped into, almost makes it seem as if I were on the DU website, instead of FR. Ironic, how emotions and facts are sometimes diametric opposites... I ask why, and I'm blasted with outrage. (((smirk))) Methinks this thread is long on "feeling her pain," and short on much else.

30 posted on 10/16/2003 12:48:49 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
Beyond the emotional outbursts, this case actually has two sides.

For example, all the judges who have seen this case have sided with the husband.

A columnist explains why:There is a another point of view:

"I don't think it is widely appreciated just how damaged her brain is," said Walker, an internist, who has followed the case closely by reading the public record.

Schiavo's cerebral cortex, he said, is mostly gone. It was destroyed by the loss of oxygen she suffered when she had a heart attack 13 years ago. Once gone, the cortex cannot grow back, Walker said. The space it once occupied in Schiavo's skull is now filled with spinal fluid.

"The cortex does all our thinking," he said. "Some people argue that it's responsible for personhood. Without a cortex, you can't think, feel, have consciousness."

Schiavo is "awake but not aware," Walker said. Parts of her brain that control reflexes and other basic bodily functions still work. So she can sleep, breathe, blink and make the other moves that fuel the faith of those who seek to save her.

Her lack of consciousness is so complete that, according to Walker, if her feeding tube were to be removed from her stomach, Schiavo would not suffer. His language is chilling; the picture he leaves, almost unimaginable.

"She cannot perceive thirst or hunger. She doesn't have the brain structures necessary for that kind of perception."


31 posted on 10/16/2003 12:50:44 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: LADY J
You know....I know a family like this who have gone to all means to keep their son alive, and I think he cannot breathe on his own after three years. I know his wife tried all she could. I don't know how she has survived the past few years and I know it hasn't been easy. But I also know that I don't know what I would do in a similar situation. On one hand...where there's life...there's hope.
32 posted on 10/16/2003 12:50:47 PM PDT by merry10 (Go Tony Strickland)
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To: LADY J
people who don't understand the reality of the situation - LIKE YOU??

Are you going to answer the question???

33 posted on 10/16/2003 12:51:05 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Qwinn
and that is troubling too. John Kasich? had film of this last night on Oreilly's show.
34 posted on 10/16/2003 12:52:23 PM PDT by merry10 (Go Tony Strickland)
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To: Capitalist Eric
That is for a court of law to decide. You are making assumptions.

Instead of ranting on this thread, why don't you go and read the links which would easily educate you. The answer to the above statement will be found there as well, but I'll give you a clue. The courts have never investigated him. And yes, we WOULD like the courts to decide. But if they kill Terri, he has demanded her body be cremated immediately. Whoops.....no victim, no evidence. Ya know, I'm TIRED of trying to explain this to you. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF AND QUITE WASTING OUR TIME.

35 posted on 10/16/2003 12:52:52 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: Capitalist Eric
So then the American with Disabilities act must be unconstitutional.
Sounds like you're in cahoots with the geneticists who would not have anyone with downs syndrome or other abnormality to be born. Better write to Christopher Reeve and tell him he doesn't deserve to live.
36 posted on 10/16/2003 12:53:12 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: William McKinley
Why doesn't someone go in and put a pillow over her face....

VIKING KITTIES, AHOY! Where are the VIKING KITTIES? Help help help, I can't bear to read such a horrible post, dear Lord in heaven.

37 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:36 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: george wythe
Thanks for an answer.

So what we're looking at, is a case where the physical body simply doesn't know the brain is dead, and it's operating on a strictly autonomic level...

So, again, why the outrage???

38 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:36 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: LADY J; All
Just ignore Eric. He is just trolling for an argument. I will not argue with him until he has read about the case. He knows NONE of the facts. He's gaming us, and wasting our time.
39 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:55 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: Ciexyz
Read the whole post, I think you misunderstood my point. It was about why we don't. That we don't is a good thing. That we seem to think letting her starve to death is somehow any more acceptable is a very bad thing.
40 posted on 10/16/2003 12:56:00 PM PDT by William McKinley
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