205 migrants die hard, lonely deaths (Barf Alert)

AZcentral ^ | Oct. 16, 2003 | Susan Carroll

[f7Oshawn]

It is a lonely place to die, out in the soft sandy washes. The desert floor, with its volcanic rock, can reach 160 degrees. Most people go down slowly.

Blood starts to seep into the lungs. Exposed skin burns and the sweat glands shut down. Little hemorrhages, tiny leaks, start in the heart.

[shhrubbery!]

I'm sad for the children who die this way. They didn't choose to be taken along on a dangerous adventure. But the adults chose this course in full knowledge.

I wonder if reporterette Susan Carroll cares that Terri Schindler Schiavo is about to suffer a similar death to the one Carroll so graphically describes?

Nah. She doesn't care about non-politically correct people.

[FITZ]

You would have a problem with restricting all welfare programs to people who have been US citizens for 20 years? I'm more in favor of ending all welfare for everyone --- including all citizens but we're talking immigrants and why they're here. If they aren't here for the welfare, there should be no problem putting an end of it for them.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

But not everybody who enters. A person entering on a tourist visa is not, neither are many who come in on student visa's. The system is lax and needs to be tightened up. The problem with security isn't "immigration", which implies a desire to reside here. It's "entry". We need to look at "entry" as a whole and the issues of immigration, tourism, educational students, etc. will close ranks and allow fewer loopholes.

[PuNcH]

But people have this belief that somehow the illegal immigrants are coming over just to cause us problems. They are not.

A bank robber isnt robbing the bank just to cause you problems either. Furthermore there are in fact illegal immigrants coming here for the specific purpose of causing our society problems. We learned about some of these the very hard way on 911. Then of course there is the constant drug smuggling.

What part of ILLEGAL dont you understand? It really stems from there and grows. Now you have 205 corpses in the desert to be proud of. Mexico's elite should happy that you are so willing to take the burden of honest, fair govt off their backs.

I apologize, but the racism built into the anti-immigrant movement is pretty hard to ignore after a while.

heh

[Thorondir]

205 ILLEGAL INVADERS die hard, lonely deaths...

To quote a certain movie lawyer: "Stop breaking the law, a$$hole!"

[FITZ]

some FReepers have even disregard and dismiss CIS's well researched

Actually I don't. I've just read the 35% statistics for immigrants on welfare in several places --- so I went with that but first hand experience would tell me that it is much likely higher --- I believe the 42% figures. I think it could be hard to measure because these benefits are often "shared". In this area of the country for example there is much "sharing" of Medicaid cards --- the cards are passed around and used between several different children. We've had doctors offices notice the same Medicaid number used on patients coming in at different time on the same day.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Yes, I would. The mother who came from Poland in 1994 with a big strong husband and is now a widow with three small children is no less worthy of our ridiculously overpriced safety net than the middle class teenager with loose morals and twoillegitimate children.

Does helping people who really do need help offend you so much? Or is it just Mexicans you wish would die off?

[RoughDobermann]

there are a lot of families that see their children die waiting for their approval to come

Tragic, of course, but it's no justification of entering the country illegally. If you think it is, then we disagree.So while many people around the world can wait politely in line, disease, famine and war stalk many others yearning to be free

Gaining freedom through illegal means isn't freedom; it's theft.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

I understand ILLEGAL. What part of "I want to stop people from illegally coming over" do you not want to understand? It seems to me that unless I volunteer to shoot and kill 19 year old Mexican girls as they walk along the desert that I am not "concerned" enough about illegal immigration.

Sorry, but having people die when they don't have to in order to solve the immigration problem is not what I desire. Too many on this board desire exactly that. (These are also those that would have nuked Baghdad because they hate all the "cameljockey towelheads" and we need to kill every Arab to make ourselves safe.)

[RoughDobermann]

We need to look at "entry" as a whole and the issues of immigration, tourism, educational students, etc. will close ranks and allow fewer loopholes.

Agreed.

[johnb838]

Because it is usually non-Christians who think they know what somebody else has to do to be a good Christian.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Tragic, of course, but it's no justification of entering the country illegally. If you think it is, then we disagree.

I think we are going to just have to disagree. While saving the life of a child may not be a justification, I understand why someone would do it.

[johnb838]

This has been going on for at least 30 years, some would say more like 40. I don't want the people dead, I think we SHOULD have a wall.

[FITZ]

We have a Green Card / Red Card system. The Green Cards work similar to the way they do now with residency and work requirements, and with whatever social services the State of residency provides for them.

I could go along with a point system ---- but no social services whatsoever because we're just bringing in way too many worthless types who cannot provide a living for themselves --- and we already had too many of those of our own. NO WELFARE of any kind. I would agree with ranking illegals ---- with permanant bans from legal residency for any of the following: DWI, driving without insurance, failure to pay hospital and doctor bills, felony document fraud, and any crime. If an illegal is here working 12 hour days in the 105 degree heat, not using someone else's social security card, not bringing kids for Americans to educate at $8000 a year each, not taking a single dime except the ones they worked for ----- well I have less problem with them.

[FITZ]

Does helping people who really do need help offend you so much?

I'm against all government welfare programs. If some church or civic group wants to help someone ---- legal or illegal ---- that's fine ---- but strictly voluntary charity. In fact if charity isn't voluntary, it's only marxism and I'm very anti-communist and anti-socialist.

[FITZ]

This Methodist thinks that compassion is critical to Christian living.

And Methodists and other Christians should give freely of their own ----- but Separation of Church and State ---- the government has no business trying to be a Church. You as an individual have the right I think to pay the entire hospital bill of anyone you choose ---- but the government has no business consfiscating anyone's labor.

[wordsofearnest]

Why are they starving in their home country. Maybe that's where the problem is. Whatta concept huh?

[RoughDobermann]

While saving the life of a child may not be a justification, I understand why someone would do it.

So do I, but that doesn't make it acceptable.