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Jeb Bush CAN STOP death of TERRI SCHIAVO !!! CALL!!!
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| pollywog
Posted on 10/16/2003 9:46:46 AM PDT by pollywog
I chose to put this on Breaking News because it just came on as Breaking NEWS on her website. PLEASE ,PLEASE go to the website http://www.terrisfight.org and read the letters that have just been sent to Jeb Bush in regards to the Terri Schiavo case. JEB BUSH can LEGALLY STOP THIS. CALL his office, CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, CALL and email the media.THE CLOCK is ticking to save her life.
Sorry if this post isn't " polished" and " refined" but I am not a seasoned " poster" here on FR.
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To: Dave S
This information is at Terri's website - as indicated. Read it. The answer is there.
61
posted on
10/16/2003 10:28:45 AM PDT
by
fawn796
To: Dave S
go read it yourself....more than one legal source consulted....why discuss something if you haven't read it and don't even know what it says?????? We can't read it for you.
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:28:45 AM PDT
by
tutstar
To: Dave S
On what basis can Jeb Bush stop this? Seems like its totally out of his hands and he said as much yesterday. Your post doesnt add anything. Go to this site. You will find under " Breaking News" the information you are looking for...
http://www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm
63
posted on
10/16/2003 10:29:54 AM PDT
by
pollywog
To: Hildy
At first, none of my kids spoke coherent words but we were able to teach them. Terri at least deserves a chance to try again.
64
posted on
10/16/2003 10:30:22 AM PDT
by
tutstar
To: tray-sea
You have to read the documents sent in to terrisfight.com Jeb can step in to save her life and let the investigation begin into the husband. Now that Ive had five people tell me all I have to do is go to a website and read two letters written by lawyers hired by the parents to understand that Jeb can save her life, Im convinced that none of you understand the arguments made by the lawyers or you could have explained it in one or two sentences. Since you cant explain it, I take it its all wishful thinking on your part, just like her communicating.
65
posted on
10/16/2003 10:31:09 AM PDT
by
Dave S
To: Dave S
I won't blame Jeb. He's covering his ass with all these documents. I am not 100% what Jeb is authorized to do but I imagine he can file something to put her tube back in and trump the court ruling on grounds listed in the documents.
This action would have to be followed up with some sort of investigation into the questions about the husband's abuse, her true injuries and the money. Including how this court slipped through this far to begin with.
Let me repeat. I am not beating the it's Jeb's fault drum. He's doing all he can do and the time in NOT on his side. I am sure he'll be able to get her feeding tube back in and it will be business as usual until he takes steps to look deeper into the case.
66
posted on
10/16/2003 10:31:19 AM PDT
by
tray-sea
(I know, my spelling SUCKS.. so sue me!)
To: Velveeta
It's making the wires: Legal Solution Now on Hand -- Will Florida Gov. Bush Intervene and Save Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Life?
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=129-10162003
PRAISE GOD!!
67
posted on
10/16/2003 10:31:33 AM PDT
by
pollywog
To: Dave S
MEMORANDUM
TO: CHRISTA CALAMAS
FROM: HERBERT W. TITUS, ATTORNEY-AT-LAW
TROY A. TITUS, P.C.
2400 CAROLINA ROAD
CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA 23322
SUBJECT: TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
DATE: OCTOBER 15, 2003
In response to a request, this memorandum is submitted addressing whether the governor of the State of Florida has the constitutional power to stop a Florida court order conferring upon the husband of Terri Schindler-Schiavo the sole discretionary power to disconnect his brain-disabled wifes feeding tube. Not only does the governor have such power, but the governor has a constitutional duty to prevent any action taken pursuant to such a court order, because such action would violate Ms. Schindler-Shiavos constitutionally guaranteed inalienable right to enjoy and defend life regardless of her physical disability as secured by Article I, Section 2 of the Florida State Constitution.
According to Article I, Section 2, [a]ll natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law, and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life .... Additionally, Article I, Section 2 provides that no person shall be deprived of any right [including the right to enjoy life] because of ... physical disability. According to Article IV, Section 1, the supreme executive power of the state of Florida is vested in the governor ... who shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Thus, the governor has the power, indeed the duty, to ensure that this constitutional guarantee of the inalienable right ... to enjoy and defend life, regardless of physical disability, is preserved.
In the exercise of this his take care powers, the governor is not bound by a court order, such as the one in the Schindler-Schiavo case, when that court order is inconsistent with the actual constitutional guarantee. As President Andrew Jackson once observed, judicial precedent is a dangerous source of authority, and should not be regarded as deciding questions of constitutional power. This observation is especially significant in determining the scope of the constitutional powers of the office of governor, a separate and independent branch from the judiciary. Again, as President Jackson put it, the chief executive officer of a government is bound by his oath of office to decide matters of constitutional right and power according to the executives interpretation of the constitution, not according to the judiciarys interpretation. Therefore, if the governor believes that Ms. Schindler-Schiavo has the constitutional right to enjoy life regardless of her present disability, as he has stated in filings submitted to the courts, then the governor is duty bound to stop any action taken pursuant to that unconstitutional order that would result in the deprivation of Ms. Schindler-Shiavos constitutional right to life.
Such executive intervention into the judicial processes does not violate the separation of powers. To the contrary, as Alexander Hamilton stated in Federalist No. 78, the exercise of judicial power is subject to the check and balance of the executive branch which, alone, has the power to enforce a judicial order. Thus, if a court order is contrary to the law of the inalienable right to life as the order in the Schindler-Schiavo case surely is then according to Article IV, Section 1 of the Florida Constitution, the governor, vested with the supreme executive power, should intervene to stop any action taken puruant to that court order. After all, as the great English legal authority Sir William Blackstone stated a court opinion or order and the law are not the same thing, in that a court opinion or order may be contrary to law, and therefore, not law at all. I W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 71 (Univ. Chi. Facs. Ed: 1765). If the governor allows a court order granting discretion to one person to decide for another person whether the latter person lives or dies to go unchallenged, then he would fail to take care that the law of the equal right to life, as secured by Article I, Section 2 of the Florida Constitution even for the physically disabled, is faithfully executed.
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:33:49 AM PDT
by
tutstar
To: Dave S
Here you go:
http://www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm Not only does the governor have such power, but the governor has a constitutional duty to prevent any action taken pursuant to such a court order, because such action would violate Ms. Schindler-Shiavos constitutionally guaranteed inalienable right to enjoy and defend life regardless of her physical disability as secured by Article I, Section 2 of the Florida State Constitution.
69
posted on
10/16/2003 10:33:49 AM PDT
by
Velveeta
To: Dave S
MEMORANDUM
TO: CHRISTA CALAMAS
FROM: HERBERT W. TITUS, ATTORNEY-AT-LAW
TROY A. TITUS, P.C.
2400 CAROLINA ROAD
CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA 23322
SUBJECT: TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
DATE: OCTOBER 15, 2003
In response to a request, this memorandum is submitted addressing whether the governor of the State of Florida has the constitutional power to stop a Florida court order conferring upon the husband of Terri Schindler-Schiavo the sole discretionary power to disconnect his brain-disabled wifes feeding tube. Not only does the governor have such power, but the governor has a constitutional duty to prevent any action taken pursuant to such a court order, because such action would violate Ms. Schindler-Shiavos constitutionally guaranteed inalienable right to enjoy and defend life regardless of her physical disability as secured by Article I, Section 2 of the Florida State Constitution.
According to Article I, Section 2, [a]ll natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law, and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life .... Additionally, Article I, Section 2 provides that no person shall be deprived of any right [including the right to enjoy life] because of ... physical disability. According to Article IV, Section 1, the supreme executive power of the state of Florida is vested in the governor ... who shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Thus, the governor has the power, indeed the duty, to ensure that this constitutional guarantee of the inalienable right ... to enjoy and defend life, regardless of physical disability, is preserved.
In the exercise of this his take care powers, the governor is not bound by a court order, such as the one in the Schindler-Schiavo case, when that court order is inconsistent with the actual constitutional guarantee. As President Andrew Jackson once observed, judicial precedent is a dangerous source of authority, and should not be regarded as deciding questions of constitutional power. This observation is especially significant in determining the scope of the constitutional powers of the office of governor, a separate and independent branch from the judiciary. Again, as President Jackson put it, the chief executive officer of a government is bound by his oath of office to decide matters of constitutional right and power according to the executives interpretation of the constitution, not according to the judiciarys interpretation. Therefore, if the governor believes that Ms. Schindler-Schiavo has the constitutional right to enjoy life regardless of her present disability, as he has stated in filings submitted to the courts, then the governor is duty bound to stop any action taken pursuant to that unconstitutional order that would result in the deprivation of Ms. Schindler-Shiavos constitutional right to life.
Such executive intervention into the judicial processes does not violate the separation of powers. To the contrary, as Alexander Hamilton stated in Federalist No. 78, the exercise of judicial power is subject to the check and balance of the executive branch which, alone, has the power to enforce a judicial order. Thus, if a court order is contrary to the law of the inalienable right to life as the order in the Schindler-Schiavo case surely is then according to Article IV, Section 1 of the Florida Constitution, the governor, vested with the supreme executive power, should intervene to stop any action taken puruant to that court order. After all, as the great English legal authority Sir William Blackstone stated a court opinion or order and the law are not the same thing, in that a court opinion or order may be contrary to law, and therefore, not law at all. I W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 71 (Univ. Chi. Facs. Ed: 1765). If the governor allows a court order granting discretion to one person to decide for another person whether the latter person lives or dies to go unchallenged, then he would fail to take care that the law of the equal right to life, as secured by Article I, Section 2 of the Florida Constitution even for the physically disabled, is faithfully executed.
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:34:54 AM PDT
by
CFW
To: Hildy
To: Dave S
John B. Thompson, Attorney
1172 South Dixie Highway, Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146-2750
October 16, 2003
The Honorable Jeb Bush
Governor, State of Florida
C/o Governor's General Counsel,
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida Via Fax to 850-488-98
Re: Execution of Terri Schiavo is Cruel and Unusual Punishment
Dear Governor Bush:
I have been asked by the family of Terri Schiavo to do what I can to save her life in light of your request yesterday for assistance from legal counsel inside and outside your Administration toward that end.
Governor, you have the power, by the mere stroke of a pen, to prohibit what is, in every sense, the execution of Terri Schiavo by a means that is both cruel and unusual in violation of Article I, Section 17 of the Florida Constitution and the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Death by dehydration and starvation is arguably the most brutal, inhumane, and pain-inducing way to kill any living creature. The United States Department of Agriculture in its own regulations at 9CFR2.131 prohibits the withholding of food and water from farm animals. Terri Schiavo is not less than a farm animal.
If you, as Governor, were to order the execution of a serial killer on death row by means of withholding food and water, you would be ordered by any number of courts not to do so. The horror of dying by dehydration makes death by electric chair, by comparison, an act of compassion.
The fact that this woman is neither accused nor convicted of any crime makes absolutely no difference. In fact, the lack of criminality makes the execution even more cruel and unusual, for a criminal sanction is being imposed upon an innocent woman.
You have the power and the duty, under both the Florida and United States Constitutions, which you took an oath to uphold, to enter an Executive Order, today, to prohibit the imposition of any cruel and unusual punishment in this State. Upon entering such an Order, you then have the power, right, and duty to give force to that order by dispatching state law enforcement officials to take custody of Terri Schiavo and stop her forced starvation and dehydration.
Governor Bush, you do not need a court order to do any of this. No court at any level has the power to revoke the Florida and United States Constitutions. They cannot revoke your oath of office. You are an enthusiast of the James Madison Institute, and as such you know that the Executive branch of government is co-equal with the other two branches. No judge has the power to elevate the judicial branch over the executive branch thereby abrogating your state and federal constitutional duties and powers.
On behalf of the family of this innocent woman, and with all respect for the responsibilities of your office, we ask that you act immediately.
Respectfully,
Jack Thompson
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:36:40 AM PDT
by
tutstar
To: Dave S
To: Christa Calamas, Esq.
From: Brian Fahling, Esq.
Re: Authority of Governor Bush to Issue Executive Order
Date: October 16, 2003
Question 1: Does Governor Bush have authority to issue an executive order pursuant to Section 943.04(2)(a), Florida Statutes (2002) to order the Department of Criminal Justice Investigations and Forensic Science to conduct an investigation of an alleged violation of Section 782.08 Florida Statutes (assisted suicide)?
Question 2: Would such an order under the circumstances of the present case constitute an intrusion of the executive branch into, or create a conflict with, the lawful authority of the judicial branch?
DISCUSSION
I. Authority To Issue Executive Order
The governor of the State of Florida possesses authority under the Florida Constitution, Article IV, Section 1(a), to see that the laws are faithfully executed. Section 943.04 authorizes the governor, upon written order, to direct the Department of Criminal Justice Investigations and Forensic Science (Department) to investigate violations of any of the criminal laws of the state. In Thompson v. State, 342 So.2d 52 (Fla. 1976), the Florida Supreme Court upheld the authority given to the governor under Section 943.04, saying [t]he power to see that laws are faithfully executed, which is essentially what Chapter 943 is designed to achieve, derives from Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution. Thompson at 55.
The brief filed by the Governor in the Middle District of Florida sets forth significant reasons to believe that Section 782.02 is being violated because Terris right to life is violated by the state when the state, acting as her guardian, assumes that her wish to live without artificial sustenance is the same as a wish not to be fed at all. The state has an unqualified interest in life. Brief at 5. Moreover, Terri is being denied oral sustenance, which creates an unnecessary conflict with Florida Statutory law by implying that physicians may cooperate with a persons alleged express wish not to feed herself . . . . Id. at p. 6. A denial of Terris right to life under these circumstances, it appears, results in a violation of Section 782.08.
The laws of the State of Florida, then, as set forth in the Governors brief, are not being faithfully executed. The authority of the governor to issue an executive order in this case is consonant with his duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
II. An Executive Order Does Not Impugn the Authority of the Court
The trial court order merely authorized Terris husband to direct that oral sustenance be denied her. An executive order that orders an investigation in this matter, with the concomitant appropriate actions that would be taken if a violation of Section 782.08 is found, does nothing to impugn the authority of the court. The executive order would ultimately operate only upon the husbands decision which he is merely permitted to make. It is interference with private discretion, not with judicial authority. If the consequences of the husbands exercise of discretion are determined to result in the unlawful taking of life, it is entirely appropriate that such actions be interdicted by law enforcement at the direction of the governor.
73
posted on
10/16/2003 10:36:45 AM PDT
by
CFW
To: Dave S
If she can speak then wheel into the court room and have her testify...otherwise, assume the assorted noises you hear are random and not conscious pleadings for live. From a mother of two special needs children ,I say YOU ARE WRONG!!!!......just because the words seem unitelligible to some, they are not to a parent.!!! Her eyes also speak VOLUMES....watch the video again.
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:37:00 AM PDT
by
pollywog
To: Dave S
the assorted noises you hear are random and not conscious pleadings for live"The assorted noises you hear" are Terri's responses to her parents, e.g. her mother's talking playing music for her.
Have you watched the videos on Terri's website?
If you haven't, please go to the links in post 54.
No one who hasn't seen those videos, in their entirety, is qualified to say that Terri is a "vegetable."
I have seen many brain-damaged patients, from accident victims to stroke victims. It is very difficult for some of them to speak. Their attempts seem, at first, like unintelligible grunts.
Actress Patricia Neal, after her series of strokes in the 1960s, had to re-learn to walk and talk. It took years of therapy --thank God her husband, Roald Dahl, practically forced her into therapy-- but now she speaks fluently.
To: tray-sea
I am not a lawyer and do not understand all the documents filed. What I do know is he has a document from several lawywers that have outlined (as outsiders) the Florida statues that GIVE HIM THE POWER TO SAVE HER LIFE. I imagine that means make the court order a moot point and get that damn feeding tube back in her.
The documents outline Florida law in regards to his responsibility as well as a follow up document that spells out grounds (or more evidence) backing up why he should take action to save her. *(Which once again means to get the feeding tube back in which will take an emergency meeting with a court to order it back in....)
then the document goes further and outlines the xrays, conflict of interest and says basically that if you go there to save her life you need to investigate the husband b/c it's his actions that are making this entire issue the issue.. The outside thomas more foundation i think is giving an outsiders opinion.
Can I spell this out any more? A court ordered her tube back in before so it can happen again.
76
posted on
10/16/2003 10:37:37 AM PDT
by
tray-sea
(I know, my spelling SUCKS.. so sue me!)
To: Smocker
Dittos
77
posted on
10/16/2003 10:38:32 AM PDT
by
sasafras
(sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
To: Dave S
To: Christa Calamas, Esq.
From: Brian Fahling, Esq.
Re: Authority of Governor Bush to Issue Executive Order
Date: October 16, 2003
Question 1: Does Governor Bush have authority to issue an executive order pursuant to Section 943.04(2)(a), Florida Statutes (2002) to order the Department of Criminal Justice Investigations and Forensic Science to conduct an investigation of an alleged violation of Section 782.08 Florida Statutes (assisted suicide)?
Question 2: Would such an order under the circumstances of the present case constitute an intrusion of the executive branch into, or create a conflict with, the lawful authority of the judicial branch?
DISCUSSION
I. Authority To Issue Executive Order
The governor of the State of Florida possesses authority under the Florida Constitution, Article IV, Section 1(a), to see that the laws are faithfully executed. Section 943.04 authorizes the governor, upon written order, to direct the Department of Criminal Justice Investigations and Forensic Science (Department) to investigate violations of any of the criminal laws of the state. In Thompson v. State, 342 So.2d 52 (Fla. 1976), the Florida Supreme Court upheld the authority given to the governor under Section 943.04, saying [t]he power to see that laws are faithfully executed, which is essentially what Chapter 943 is designed to achieve, derives from Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution. Thompson at 55.
The brief filed by the Governor in the Middle District of Florida sets forth significant reasons to believe that Section 782.02 is being violated because Terris right to life is violated by the state when the state, acting as her guardian, assumes that her wish to live without artificial sustenance is the same as a wish not to be fed at all. The state has an unqualified interest in life. Brief at 5. Moreover, Terri is being denied oral sustenance, which creates an unnecessary conflict with Florida Statutory law by implying that physicians may cooperate with a persons alleged express wish not to feed herself . . . . Id. at p. 6. A denial of Terris right to life under these circumstances, it appears, results in a violation of Section 782.08.
The laws of the State of Florida, then, as set forth in the Governors brief, are not being faithfully executed. The authority of the governor to issue an executive order in this case is consonant with his duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
II. An Executive Order Does Not Impugn the Authority of the Court
The trial court order merely authorized Terris husband to direct that oral sustenance be denied her. An executive order that orders an investigation in this matter, with the concomitant appropriate actions that would be taken if a violation of Section 782.08 is found, does nothing to impugn the authority of the court. The executive order would ultimately operate only upon the husbands decision which he is merely permitted to make. It is interference with private discretion, not with judicial authority. If the consequences of the husbands exercise of discretion are determined to result in the unlawful taking of life, it is entirely appropriate that such actions be interdicted by law enforcement at the direction of the governor.
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:38:41 AM PDT
by
tutstar
To: CFW
>>Go to the site and reading the legal opinions of the attorneys. They state that not only can Jeb Bush intervene, he has an obligation to
Amen. After getting form letters from Jeb's office for the last few days saying he could do nothing to intervene suddenly I hear he has a meeting with the parents and promises to see what he can do. But now 24 hours later still nothing from Jeb. He'd better hurry! She could suffer other organ or brain damage if her starvation and dehydration continues for much longer.
To: pollywog
What does the family want to do?
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posted on
10/16/2003 10:39:57 AM PDT
by
hattend
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