Then please take it there.
Posted on 10/16/2003 7:34:12 AM PDT by Gargantua
Then please take it there.
Sorry, I don't see it that way. The general is being criticized for remarks he made as an officer in the Army, not for what he said personally.
If I, as a representative of my company, made remarks that our customers heard stating that some of their engineers were idiots, I'd be fired. And that wouldn't be a tenth as inflammatory as the general's remarks.
Is the general entitled to say anything he wants, any place he wants? I don't think so.....
Tell me something exmarine, where were the rights of the slaves in the antebellum south? America has had many evil rulers and it still does. Even our own President, Bush, is not that concerned with how his actions may result in a more tyrannical successor to Clinton being able to control the public.
The only way to keep an evil ruler out of power is to so thoroughly limit the governments' power that they cannot control us except in the most basic ways. The only way to deal with an evil ruler and his/her supporters once civilized means have failed is deadly force. The fundamental premise of our "democracy" that you are not responsible for the views you hold is wrong. If you back a despot you are as much a legitimate target of violence as he or she is.
Nature doesn't work. Nature is both cruel and non-cruel.
Nature works perfectly. Nature is neither cruel or caring, it just is what it is.
Did God just wind up the clock and step back - deism?
On the macro-level, yes.
As you have no idea what I've heard, and whether I've "turned away" or not, this comment shows an amazing amount of hubris. Which, by the way, was Lucifer's sin. You're in the big leagues now !
I think you have satisfactorally proven that the best defense you have for your views is Credo Quia Absurdum....
Evidently you are the one who doesn't know his civics! Next time, maybe you better check to MAKE SURE what you are saying is true before you say it. I am 100% CERTAIN that what I say is true. I can't help it if you don't know about it. Go look it up.
"Is the general entitled to say anything he wants, any place he wants?"
So he's not entitled to express an opinion of an adversary in a church?
I'm just defending my self against some nasty hostile people. I have made many logical and historical argument son this thread and not one of them has been refuted. Why don't you review the thread? Why don't you direct your same comment to your kindred brethren who have done nothing but hurl insults like grenades from the first post. I have a right to defend myself and I don't need your permission.
The John Jay fact is one I wasn't aware of and I admitted that, but I withhold judgment on that until I learn more - I never trust a revisionist skeptic to give me straight scoop - I trust primary sources.
"Apparently" nothing. The posts which deal with what you talked about are myriad.
This ain't one of 'em.
Cruelty doesn't exist? Is that what you are saying? Marquis de Sade said, "what is, is right." Do you agree with him?
The only way to keep an evil ruler out of power is to so thoroughly limit the governments' power that they cannot control us except in the most basic ways.
Evil exists? Evil is active in the world but God isn't? That's a head scratcher.
The fundamental premise of our "democracy" that you are not responsible for the views you hold is wrong. If you back a despot you are as much a legitimate target of violence as he or she is.
We have a republic not a democracy. Who said a person isn't responsible for their views?
Tell me something exmarine, where were the rights of the slaves in the antebellum south? America has had many evil rulers and it still does. Even our own President, Bush, is not that concerned with how his actions may result in a more tyrannical successor to Clinton being able to control the public.
Most of the founders were anti-slavery, but some of the southern ones had a blind spot. All men are sinners - I look at the whole man. Most founders were profoundly against slavery and it almost broke up the Const. Convention. So, it was deferred. The nation was judged for it 75 years later - 660,000 dead. We will be judged for our immorality now as well - matter of when and how longsuffering God is. Read the Northwest Ordinance to get an insight about the founders' view of slavery (1789). Know what it says? It's a Christian document by the way as well as a U.S. govt. document.
Did you forget that it was white Christian men who abolished slavery? It started with William Wilberforce in England - abolished 1835 in English colonies. That it was CHRISTIANS at the core of that movement? That it was WHITE MEN who passed the 13th amendment?
Show me the titles and sections of the U.S. Code where it is codified then.
Show me where in the 20th century God intervened to stop the deaths of over 150M people at the hands of totalitarian regimes. Evil as a force doesn't exist. It is what people become when they act against the law of nature.
I have more important things to do than search through tens of thousands of pages of law for some obscure reference to the declaration of independence. If you are so knowledgeable then obviously it wouldn't require any meaningful amount of effort on your part to prove it.
You're the one making wild assertions like the DoI being in the USC. It is your job to prove your assertions, not mine.
Surely you don't believe that? God help us if that is a common attitude.
Evil doesn't exist? If evil doesn't exist, then neither does right and wrong. That makes you a moral relativist a la Marquis De Sade ("what is is right"). How sad for you. You don't have a logical leg to stand on. The law of nature?! Show me the law of nature that says that murder is wrong. Where Can I find it? Your argument is illogical.
First you talk about evil then you say it doesn't exist. Since evil doesn't exist, then it can't be evil or wrong to kill 150M people! Make up your mind! Either evil exists or it doesn't. You are contradicting yourself.
Another problem you have is that that EVIL cannot exist without a standard. What is that standard? huh? The very existence of evil proves there is a God - a Good Standard. Nature provides no standard! Where is it? I don't see it - can I find it by looking at a tree or a dog?
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