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Today's 'Liberals': Close-Minded, Nasty and Fringe
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/16/03 | Bernard Goldberg

Posted on 10/15/2003 3:18:27 PM PDT by kattracks

Back in March of this year, way before Rush Limbaugh and ESPN, Esquire ran an interview with a liberal journalist – an interview that, outside the Internet, made only a few ripples.

In the exchange with Esquire, Eric Alterman, who writes a column for the Nation, a far-left political magazine, charmingly told the interviewer, “I hate to say it, but I wish the guy [Rush Limbaugh] would have gone deaf.” Call me crazy, but when Alterman says, “I hate to say it,” I have the funny feeling that he really means “I love to say it.”

Anyway, it’s not just Rush Limbaugh that he’d like to see go away. It’s also all those hopelessly ordinary, not-too-smart Middle Americans who find Rush so interesting that Alterman has no use for, either. America, Alterman tells Esquire, “would be better without Rush Limbaugh and his 20 million listeners.”

The interview gives no clue as to whether Alterman wishes the 20 million Americans would also go deaf – or just drop off the face of the Earth. But we do learn that in Eric Alterman’s America there’s no place for Ann Coulter, either. “I debase myself every time I say her name,” he told Esquire.

At about the same time, he was telling the Los Angeles Times, “I don’t have to my house for dinner anyone who’s not pro-choice, pro-gun control … pro-campaign finance reform.”

If Eric Alterman (who later apologized for the shot at Limbaugh) were the only liberal who forgot how to be liberal, this would merely be amusing. But he’s not. He is part of a new kind of liberal: smart, well educated, articulate … but mostly angry – the kind that is doing far more harm to liberalism in America than Rush Limbaugh could ever do.

Once liberals were like John Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. They were upbeat and enthusiastic – and mainstream. These days they’re more like Eric Alterman and Michael Moore and Al Franken. They’re closed-minded and nasty - and fringe.

Speaking of Mr. Franken, he’s got a new book out called "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." As I understand it, I am one of the liars, along with the president of the United States, the vice president, Bill O’Reilly, the aforementioned Ms. Coulter and tons more. Joe Conason, a left-wing journalist in New York, also has a new book out, and his too is about a bunch of liars (again, of which I am one). But this one isn’t just about your run-of-the mill little lies; it’s about Big Lies.

Liberals are mad as hell these days, and they’re not going to take it anymore. A lot of them detest President Bush, whom they believe stole the election that put him in the White House. They despise Attorney General John Ashcroft, whom many are convinced is a bigger menace to America than Osama bin Laden.

They hate the fact that even though their ideological brothers and sisters control the editorial page of just about every big-city newspaper in the country, some Americans actually like to watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh.

Janeane Garofalo, another angry voice of the new liberalism, has shed some darkness on the subject with these observations: “The Republican Party, their message and their politics of exclusion … appeals to the dumb and the mean. There is no shortage of dumb and mean people in this culture. ... The dumb and the mean find a nice home in the GOP.”

Just in case that’s not clear enough, she went on to say, “What you have now [are] people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes … identifying [themselves] as conservative.”

Ms. Garofalo is a tough act to follow, but I’ll give it a try: Here’s a word of caution for the Left: You’re driving a stake right through the heart of liberalism. You’re betraying everything liberals supposedly stand for.

Conservatives, basically, are about smaller government and lower taxes and individual responsibility. Liberals, on the other hand, are supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas, without the name-calling. Liberals are supposed to be the good ones, the smart ones, the sophisticated ones and mostly the better ones. I know this, of course, because my liberal friends keeping telling me how good and smart and sophisticated and better they are.

Too often we talk right past each other in our culture, and no one has clean hands on this one – not liberals or conservatives. Incivility is a two-way street. Still it seems to me that liberals – the very people who take such pride in seeing themselves as compassionate and open-minded – have, in a sad kind of way, become precisely what they have long accused conservatives of being: mean-spirited and closed-minded.

Which brings us back to Rush Limbaugh, who got into trouble with the P.C. police for suggesting the media were cheerleading for a quarterback because he’s black. Right or wrong, does that make him a member of the Klan? Well, yes it does, as far as some liberals are concerned. A cartoon in the Dayton (Ohio) News and reprinted in Newsweek shows a man in KKK regalia at the ESPN desk, the anchorman next to him saying, “That was Rush Limbaugh with his color commentary.” There were others just like it. Liberals should be embarrassed at this kind of vile, but the best I can figure, they’re not.

The fact is that liberals, more than anything else, need to remember how to be liberal - and not let the angry fringe hijack a philosophy that once, a long time ago, was something to be proud of.

Bernard Goldberg is the author of "Arrogance: Saving America From the Media Elite" (Warner Books) and "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News" (Regnery).



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bernardgoldberg; ericalterman; liberals; meanspirited
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To: okie01
Ping. Present company excluded, there is a lot of truth in what Goldberg says. Too many of today's "liberals", in particular those in the media, are putting a mean-spirited face on the persuasion. And many people who think they are liberal actually have more in common with conservatives than with those who claim to speak for them.

I agree with you that political discourse in general has become more mean-spirited and hostile in recent years, on both sides. I'm sorry to see things deteriorate like this. It reflects the general decline in civility taking place in society at large.

41 posted on 10/15/2003 7:10:29 PM PDT by ProudLiberalPatriot
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To: Nebr FAL owner
You are clearly a man of taste and practicality. I like my FALs - they shoot better than I do. That, and multiple caches of Enfield No 1 Mk IIIs in .308 with plenty of handloaded AP let me sleep just a little better at night.

Turn ammo into skill. Busting milk jugs full of water at 400 yards over iron sights is a rewarding activity.
42 posted on 10/15/2003 7:11:23 PM PDT by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: Nebr FAL owner
Ma Deuce saz: "All your limousine are belong to us."
43 posted on 10/15/2003 7:14:12 PM PDT by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: expatpat
"'Liberal' once described decent people who believed in Free Trade."

Actually, 'Liberal' once covered substantially more ground than free trade. The so-called "classic liberal" favored individual liberty, with consequent self-responsibility and a carefully proscribed, but effective, government.

The Founding Fathers were classical liberals.

Indeed, in "Conscience of a Conservative", Barry Goldwater referred to himself as a "19th Century Liberal".

Today's mainstream conservatives adhere very closely to the tenets that used to be "classic liberalism".

But you're right. Many of today's liberals -- or "progressives", as many seem to prefer -- are a.) socialists, b.) elitist and, not to mention, c.) of a rather nasty disposition.

44 posted on 10/15/2003 7:14:52 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: wizardoz
...how you fight is not what makes you better. What you fight for is.

That's the truth. Copied to my archive of great quotes. The wisdom behind those few words is some of the best I've seenhere.

45 posted on 10/15/2003 7:18:54 PM PDT by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: kattracks
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46 posted on 10/15/2003 7:28:35 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: wizardoz
I detest liberals. I wish horrible things on them regularly and without remorse. I wish they'd go away. I don't have them over for dinner either. I'll hold a civil conversation with them, but only because I'm hoping to convert them. The unconvertable ones I wish would go play in front of an IDF bulldozer.

Good Grief!

I think we're related!

47 posted on 10/15/2003 8:06:05 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: Irene Adler
I have noticed that people who lie all the time and insult other people (overwhelmingly liberals in my experience) mostly get away with it and really ARE insulted and angry when challenged.

They also interrupt more. Show me a liberal who'll let you finish a sentence and I'll show you someone whose relatives are picking out a casket.

48 posted on 10/15/2003 8:12:25 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians blow up over the least little thing...)
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To: reformed_democrat
Good Grief! I think we're related!

Could be. I'm the epitome of white evil, half Roman imperialist, half plundering Viking. And you?

49 posted on 10/15/2003 8:14:01 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians blow up over the least little thing...)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thanks for the heads up!
50 posted on 10/15/2003 8:41:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl (Please donate to Free Republic!)
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To: kattracks
I would say that Goldberg terminology is all mixed up. He correctly points out the incongruence of the moniker 'liberal' as it is used and the actual meaning of the classical term. Like most Americans, though, his use of the term 'liberal' in describing Democrats is an incorrectly usage.

The current reality is that most of those that think of themselves as 'liberal' are, in fact, socialists. As socialists, they have a definite agenda and that is why they don't brook with dissent or opposition. Worse still, the masters of the party, as far as I'm concerned, are little better than Maoists in Brooks Brothers suits. The trouble with mushy terms like 'liberal' is that it gives too much cover to foes that need to be flushed into the open.

I would accept: commie, traitor, hate-monger, Bolshevik, pinko, race-baiter, huckster, charlatan, subversive, tyrant's and servants of darkness as suitable descriptive terms for the current crop of ideologues in the Democratic party.
51 posted on 10/15/2003 8:48:36 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND NPR & PBS - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: ProudLiberalPatriot
"...political discourse in general has become more mean-spirited and hostile in recent years, on both sides."

May I suggest that this is so because Americans in general and conservatives in particular have finally begun to draw lines against the decades of socialist corruption? When push comes to shove, it usually goes to shove and beyond - until one side or the other quits.

We're in a civil war already. The shooting hasn't started, but we're in a war. The only way out is to vanquish the entrenched and determined foe beneath the camouflage of 'liberalism.'
52 posted on 10/15/2003 8:56:39 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND NPR & PBS - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: kattracks
Well said:

If Eric Alterman (who later apologized for the shot at Limbaugh) were the only liberal who forgot how to be liberal, this would merely be amusing. But he’s not. He is part of a new kind of liberal: smart, well educated, articulate … but mostly angry – the kind that is doing far more harm to liberalism in America than Rush Limbaugh could ever do.

Once liberals... were upbeat and enthusiastic – and mainstream. These days they’re more like Eric Alterman and Michael Moore and Al Franken. They’re closed-minded and nasty - and fringe.

53 posted on 10/15/2003 9:10:13 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Did anyone just see Nightline? Koppel did his usual vomit. His final thought was that if Bush would admit he failed then he and the other reporters might throw him a bone and report something positive so long as the total picture remained negative. I swear he had better hope I never meet him in real life. I'll be spending the night in lockup.
54 posted on 10/15/2003 9:14:47 PM PDT by Naspino
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To: Naspino
"Did anyone just see Nightline? Koppel did his usual vomit."

I classify nearly all mainstream talking-heads as enemies. Enemies of truth, of freedom, of America.

What would you expect from Joseph Goebbels? He had a soft side. He had a family of a beautiful wife and a handful of lovely children, he laughed, he cried, he did kind acts to those around him, he gave gifts and threw parties, he spoke softly and intelligently.

He also lied through his teeth, killed his children and helped murder eleven million people.
55 posted on 10/15/2003 9:25:14 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND NPR & PBS - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: kattracks
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56 posted on 10/16/2003 3:33:02 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: kattracks
I'm dumb and deaf. I really AM deaf. So there, the liberals can't touch me with their siren song... ;-)
57 posted on 10/16/2003 3:35:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mimimo
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58 posted on 10/16/2003 7:26:52 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: wizardoz
Hmmmm . . . could be.

I got the white, evil parts down pat, but claim Attila as a distant cousin.

However, my son is half Hun, half Viking. Not that we have control issues around here or anything . . .

59 posted on 10/16/2003 7:41:08 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: mimimo
....... new kind of liberal: smart, well educated, articulate … but mostly angry

I would add; They are also charter members of the HATE AMERICA and BLAME AMERICA FIRST crowd.

60 posted on 10/16/2003 7:48:35 AM PDT by PISANO
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