Today's 'Liberals': Close-Minded, Nasty and Fringe

NewsMax.com ^ | 10/16/03 | Bernard Goldberg

[ProudLiberalPatriot]

Ping. Present company excluded, there is a lot of truth in what Goldberg says. Too many of today's "liberals", in particular those in the media, are putting a mean-spirited face on the persuasion. And many people who think they are liberal actually have more in common with conservatives than with those who claim to speak for them.

I agree with you that political discourse in general has become more mean-spirited and hostile in recent years, on both sides. I'm sorry to see things deteriorate like this. It reflects the general decline in civility taking place in society at large.

[Noumenon]

You are clearly a man of taste and practicality. I like my FALs - they shoot better than I do. That, and multiple caches of Enfield No 1 Mk IIIs in .308 with plenty of handloaded AP let me sleep just a little better at night.

Turn ammo into skill. Busting milk jugs full of water at 400 yards over iron sights is a rewarding activity.

[Noumenon]

Ma Deuce saz: "All your limousine are belong to us."

[okie01]

"'Liberal' once described decent people who believed in Free Trade."

Actually, 'Liberal' once covered substantially more ground than free trade. The so-called "classic liberal" favored individual liberty, with consequent self-responsibility and a carefully proscribed, but effective, government.

The Founding Fathers were classical liberals.

Indeed, in "Conscience of a Conservative", Barry Goldwater referred to himself as a "19th Century Liberal".

Today's mainstream conservatives adhere very closely to the tenets that used to be "classic liberalism".

But you're right. Many of today's liberals -- or "progressives", as many seem to prefer -- are a.) socialists, b.) elitist and, not to mention, c.) of a rather nasty disposition.

[Noumenon]

...how you fight is not what makes you better. What you fight for is.

That's the truth. Copied to my archive of great quotes. The wisdom behind those few words is some of the best I've seenhere.

[foreverfree]

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[reformed_democrat]

I detest liberals. I wish horrible things on them regularly and without remorse. I wish they'd go away. I don't have them over for dinner either. I'll hold a civil conversation with them, but only because I'm hoping to convert them. The unconvertable ones I wish would go play in front of an IDF bulldozer.

Good Grief!

I think we're related!

[wizardoz]

I have noticed that people who lie all the time and insult other people (overwhelmingly liberals in my experience) mostly get away with it and really ARE insulted and angry when challenged.

They also interrupt more. Show me a liberal who'll let you finish a sentence and I'll show you someone whose relatives are picking out a casket.

[wizardoz]

Good Grief! I think we're related!

Could be. I'm the epitome of white evil, half Roman imperialist, half plundering Viking. And you?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[WorkingClassFilth]

I would say that Goldberg terminology is all mixed up. He correctly points out the incongruence of the moniker 'liberal' as it is used and the actual meaning of the classical term. Like most Americans, though, his use of the term 'liberal' in describing Democrats is an incorrectly usage.

The current reality is that most of those that think of themselves as 'liberal' are, in fact, socialists. As socialists, they have a definite agenda and that is why they don't brook with dissent or opposition. Worse still, the masters of the party, as far as I'm concerned, are little better than Maoists in Brooks Brothers suits. The trouble with mushy terms like 'liberal' is that it gives too much cover to foes that need to be flushed into the open.

I would accept: commie, traitor, hate-monger, Bolshevik, pinko, race-baiter, huckster, charlatan, subversive, tyrant's and servants of darkness as suitable descriptive terms for the current crop of ideologues in the Democratic party.

[WorkingClassFilth]

"...political discourse in general has become more mean-spirited and hostile in recent years, on both sides."

May I suggest that this is so because Americans in general and conservatives in particular have finally begun to draw lines against the decades of socialist corruption? When push comes to shove, it usually goes to shove and beyond - until one side or the other quits.

We're in a civil war already. The shooting hasn't started, but we're in a war. The only way out is to vanquish the entrenched and determined foe beneath the camouflage of 'liberalism.'

[GOPJ]

Well said:

If Eric Alterman (who later apologized for the shot at Limbaugh) were the only liberal who forgot how to be liberal, this would merely be amusing. But he’s not. He is part of a new kind of liberal: smart, well educated, articulate … but mostly angry – the kind that is doing far more harm to liberalism in America than Rush Limbaugh could ever do.

Once liberals... were upbeat and enthusiastic – and mainstream. These days they’re more like Eric Alterman and Michael Moore and Al Franken. They’re closed-minded and nasty - and fringe.

[Naspino]

Did anyone just see Nightline? Koppel did his usual vomit. His final thought was that if Bush would admit he failed then he and the other reporters might throw him a bone and report something positive so long as the total picture remained negative. I swear he had better hope I never meet him in real life. I'll be spending the night in lockup.

[WorkingClassFilth]

"Did anyone just see Nightline? Koppel did his usual vomit."

I classify nearly all mainstream talking-heads as enemies. Enemies of truth, of freedom, of America.

What would you expect from Joseph Goebbels? He had a soft side. He had a family of a beautiful wife and a handful of lovely children, he laughed, he cried, he did kind acts to those around him, he gave gifts and threw parties, he spoke softly and intelligently.

He also lied through his teeth, killed his children and helped murder eleven million people.

[Skooz]

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[goldstategop]

I'm dumb and deaf. I really AM deaf. So there, the liberals can't touch me with their siren song... ;-)

[GOPJ]

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[reformed_democrat]

Hmmmm . . . could be.

I got the white, evil parts down pat, but claim Attila as a distant cousin.

However, my son is half Hun, half Viking. Not that we have control issues around here or anything . . .

[PISANO]

....... new kind of liberal: smart, well educated, articulate … but mostly angry

I would add; They are also charter members of the HATE AMERICA and BLAME AMERICA FIRST crowd.