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Feeding tube removed from comatose woman at center of long-running legal battle
Associated Press ^ | 10-15-03

Posted on 10/15/2003 12:18:18 PM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; terrischiavo
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To: MarMema
er, the correct wording is "terminal dehydration" in the medical field. She won't survive long enough to starve, which takes about 40 days.

This is horrifying. The idea these monsters could kill her in this manner is just awful.

761 posted on 10/15/2003 9:11:08 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: MHGinTN
"but she can live many more years learning to do the things she's been deprived of doing for the past decade under Michael Schiavo's crushing abuse and neglect."

Then he should be castrated with a pair of finger nail clippers.

Please forgive my ignorance.

762 posted on 10/15/2003 9:11:33 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Uno Animo
M. Scott Peck wrote an excellent book about people like Michael Schiavo: People Of The Lie. Michael feels more alive by sucking the life out of Terri. As to Greer, well, he's got a napoleonic complex as he sits his bench passing out death sentences in civil court. Felos has a combined 'littleman' and messiah complex, needing desperately to be a standout of the euthanasia movement. All are void of spiritual life. That they succeed in doing such evil is to be laid at the feet of the state ... Florida is one very messed up place, corroded to an inhumane level by years of mutational liberalism run amok.

Folks, what you see happening in Florida (the disease of liberalism cancelling our founding principle, establishing the judicial oligarchy, the indifference of the Florida citizenry, the raw exercise of power to snuff out a life that an incompetent judge deems unworthy--as if LIFE is now to be the endowment of the judge and his almighty bench, the championing of abortion serial killing as an enlightened way to avoid the arrival of an already alive fellow human being, and more, so much more) is the fate of the entire nation if this trend is not reverse somehow. It is much further along than most could ever dream it is.

What we are seeing in Florida is most disturbing also because so few will realize it is the rule of law becoming the oligarchy of the judiciary. No longer is there a compact between citizens to mutually obey laws with moral, ethical, and humane origins, we have moved into a tyrrany of judicial fiat trumping moral, ethical, and humane. Your right to LIFE exists at the whim of the judicial oligarchs, especially if you happen to be alive at the fringe of what those in black robes consider 'normal' as they ignore the legislatively issued laws and rule via penumbras and social engineering trends.

763 posted on 10/15/2003 9:11:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TexasCowboy
This is *yet* another example (as if we needed any more) of how the lamestream media obscures, lies, insinuates, leaves out, and twists the news so that is unrecognizable. Just to suit their twisted views of reality. I don't even bother with them. All the news is on FR.
764 posted on 10/15/2003 9:12:51 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: nmh
Horrific. Beyond words.

Oh but there is so much more.....some people live for 2 weeks. In the process they suffer terrible seizures and even hallucinations. They have tremendous pain from kidney failure and other organs drying out. Their eyes and mouth become very dry and require "palliative care", so they put in eyedrops and use wet gauze for their lips.

On one nursing board I read the posts of a nurse who was caring for someone dying like this. She said the elderly woman kept trying to suck on the wet gauze they used to moisten her lips.

765 posted on 10/15/2003 9:13:54 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: pram
Note to self - so that IT is unrecognizable.
766 posted on 10/15/2003 9:15:25 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
If you haven't yet, please read some of the large body of information available on FR about this situation. It is indisputable once you have read it. The parents want to take care of her, the husband has refused her to have any rehab at all, even after receiving large monies to pay for it, and many doctors have testified that she would likely improve functioning if she had rehab and training. What more can be said?

Perhaps he really represents the wishes of Terri. But here we have the parents disputing that, unlike some other cases.

I heard on the radio that Florida law gives unusual authority to the spouse - perhaps it all comes down to that, legally.

767 posted on 10/15/2003 9:15:38 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Jorge
There have been many before her. See my FR page for the stories of those already dead, and you can believe that a lot of people were killed this way and no one knew or wrote a story about it.

At work a friend told me her grandmother kept pulling out the feeding tube. So when the staff asked if they could leave it out, the family said yes. And Grandma died.

Ask around and I bet you will find people who have allowed this to happen to family, nice people.

768 posted on 10/15/2003 9:16:08 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Brian S
Life
769 posted on 10/15/2003 9:18:33 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: MHGinTN
What we are seeing in Florida is most disturbing also because so few will realize it is the rule of law becoming the oligarchy of the judiciary.

Everything you have said is spot on - except it's not just in FL. It's everywhere in the US, starting at the top with the SCOTUS. How can it be reversed? How can it be stopped from turning into a hell that rivals Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Third Reich? I can only pray, speak up when and where I can, and support others who are warriors in this fight. What gives me hope is my strong faith in God - and my knowledge that this world isn't meant to be perfect. There's another one that is.

771 posted on 10/15/2003 9:20:56 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Brian S
Whats the difference between Scott Peterson and Michael Schiavo......

Not a whole heck of alot.
772 posted on 10/15/2003 9:22:29 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
from 1991
773 posted on 10/15/2003 9:24:06 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: george wythe
I have not read all the information on this case, but the judges have.

Actually, appeals-court justices are frequently limited to reading the record supplied by the trial courts. And from what I understand, Judge Greer has managed to make himself the "gatekeeper" for all matters related to Ms. Schiavo.

774 posted on 10/15/2003 9:25:19 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: MarMema
Words fail me.

"On one nursing board I read the posts of a nurse who was caring for someone dying like this. She said the elderly woman kept trying to suck on the wet gauze they used to moisten her lips."

So this OFTEN happens?

775 posted on 10/15/2003 9:28:33 PM PDT by nmh
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To: supercat; Conservative til I die; Salvation; katnip; nickcarraway
not bad at all for the NY Times
776 posted on 10/15/2003 9:28:47 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: george wythe
This case has been litigated in public courtrooms, both at the state and federal level.

Unfortunately, appeals courts are generally limitted to examining evidence that was presented in trial court. From what I understand, all of the trial court cases have had to go through Judge Greer, and he's managed to serve pretty effectively as "gatekeeper" to prevent higher courts from getting evidence that would support the Schindlers.

777 posted on 10/15/2003 9:32:57 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: MarMema
My husband, who is brilliant IMHO, couldn't sleep. He just walked into the room and asked me to send the following message to Gov. Bush....

"Dear Governor Bush;
Since Judge Greer has ordered the execution of Terri Schiavo, I'm asking that you end this inhumane torture of this helpless woman.

I'm asking that you ask the judge to order her immediate painless execution."
778 posted on 10/15/2003 9:34:48 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: TexasCowboy
"Then he should be castrated with a pair of finger nail clippers"

Dull, rusty ones.
779 posted on 10/15/2003 9:36:52 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: nmh
Look at this man's page. This guy is a professor of political science. They are everywhere creeping and crawling, and meeting to talk about this stuff, and there is much more on his site than the examples here.

" "Voluntary Terminal Dehydration at the End of Life" (manuscript in progress; expected completion in 2003)

"“Terminal Dehydration: A Peaceful Passage at the End of Life,” 20th Annual Conference of the Association of Death Education and Counseling (ADEC), Chicago, IL (March 19-22, 1998)

"“Refusing Food And Hydration: A Way of Hastening Death,” 5th Biennial World Conference On Assisted Dying, Boston, MA (August 31 September 4, 2000)

"The Right to Die: State Courts Lead the Way Where State Legislatures Fear to Tread," (w/ 2nd author B. Kamoie, JD, MPH), Law and Policy Journal 14: 4, pp. 337-380 (October 1992)

And this is just a random page I found by googling right to die. All over the medical and law journals this is being sold to the professions.

We have been asleep at the wheel, all of us, somehow. Until now. This is why I keep saying we owe the Schindlers a tremendous debt for helping to awaken this country.

780 posted on 10/15/2003 9:42:04 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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