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Anglican Leader Pressured on Gay Movement
AP | 10/15/03

Posted on 10/15/2003 7:28:01 AM PDT by kattracks

Associated Press

LONDON Oct. 15 — The leader of the global Anglican Communion faced enormous pressure Wednesday to repudiate recent moves in North America toward acceptance of gay relationships as world Anglican leaders gathered for an emergency meeting seeking reconciliation. Thirty-seven Anglican leaders called primates began the two-day meeting in Lambeth Palace, the historic London building where the Anglican Communion was formed, after conservative leaders threatened to leave the association over the issue of homosexuality.

The communion's spiritual leader, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, called the unprecedented meeting in August after the Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of the Anglicans, sparked the crisis by ratifying the election of its first openly gay bishop, the Rev. V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.

Williams' spokesman, the Rev. Jonathan Jennings, told reporters that the mood was "relaxed" as the leaders met Wednesday morning in the palace chapel. One primate, Bishop Ignacio C. Soliba of the Philippines, did not attend, because of a previous commitment.

"One way or another, it's a new day for Anglicanism," said the Rev. Canon David Roseberry of Plano, Texas, a leader of conservative Anglicans in the United States who are threatening to split from their church.

The closed meeting began with prayers and Bible study, then each primate was given up to five minutes to make a statement, said Canon James Rosenthal, communications director of the Anglican Communion. He did not comment on the content of the statements. An announcement of the meeting's outcome was not expected until late Thursday, but Anglican leaders from both sides of the debate have been meeting in London all week to lobby for support.

At a worship service Wednesday morning organized by pro-gay British Anglicans, the Most Rev. Walter Makhulu, the former archbishop of Central Africa, compared the exclusion of gays to the racist apartheid system.

"The notion of an exclusive church is utterly abhorrent to me," Makhulu said. "It denies the very character and nature of God."

The American Anglican Council, which represents U.S. conservatives, contends the liberals have departed from the communion by accepting non-celibate gays.

The council's leaders are in London and will petition the primates to "guide the realignment of Anglicanism in North America." They have not said what form that would take, but some council supporters have said they want Williams to expel the Episcopal Church and recognize conservatives as the true Anglicans in North America.

The Episcopalians acknowledge that some of its bishops allow blessing ceremonies for same-sex unions. Separately, the Diocese of New Westminster in Vancouver, British Columbia, also voted to permit the ceremonies in its parishes.

Conservatives worldwide have condemned these moves as unbiblical and threatened to split the communion if Williams doesn't discipline the North Americans though he has little power to do so. At an emotional meeting last week in Dallas, 2,700 U.S. conservatives began moving closer to a total break with the Episcopal Church.

The conservative Church of Nigeria, home to 17.5 million Anglicans and the communion's second-largest province, has severed ties with the diocese in Vancouver, and parishioners there who oppose homosexual relationships have been fasting and praying.

Williams' options are limited. Unlike the Catholic Church, there is no centralized authority in Anglicanism. Each province is autonomous and Williams cannot settle issues of doctrine. The primates also have no collective legislative authority and cannot vote to punish a member.

But Williams does have the right to decide whether a denomination can affiliate with the communion, and the primates can band together to influence him.

Archbishop Njongonkulu Ndungane of Southern Africa has suggested forming a high-level commission to study how the communion can live with differences over homosexuality.

Conservatives, however, say such a commission would be the equivalent of doing nothing.

The head of the Episcopal Church, Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, has been trying to reach out to conservatives leading up to the summit. He has insisted his vote to approve Robinson "wasn't settling questions of sexuality. I was affirming the choice of a diocese."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aac; anglican; episcopal; episcopalchurch; fallout; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; rowanwilliams; schism

1 posted on 10/15/2003 7:28:02 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: ahadams2
Day of Reckoning ping.
2 posted on 10/15/2003 7:36:04 AM PDT by secret garden (Courage is not the lack of fear. It is acting in spite of it. - Mark Twain)
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3 posted on 10/15/2003 7:36:41 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: secret garden
"The notion of an exclusive church is utterly abhorrent to me," Makhulu said.

I'd like to send this chap a copy of Calvin's Institutes....he would wet his pants.

Somehow they can't accept that life is not about us, our comfort, our inclusion...but about God, His righteousness, His right to be worshipped, and His plan for REdemption.
4 posted on 10/15/2003 7:41:36 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: kattracks; ahadams2
He has insisted his vote to approve Robinson "wasn't settling questions of sexuality. I was affirming the choice of a diocese."

A point that should not be forgotten.

5 posted on 10/15/2003 7:50:28 AM PDT by Eala (Note to ELF: it's "Burnt SieNNa," not "Burnt SieRRa!")
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To: ConservativeDude
"The notion of an exclusive church is utterly abhorrent to me," Makhulu said.

How long until the courts are brought to bear on this, I wonder...

6 posted on 10/15/2003 7:52:17 AM PDT by Eala (Note to ELF: it's "Burnt SieNNa," not "Burnt SieRRa!")
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To: Eala
He has insisted his vote to approve Robinson "wasn't settling questions of sexuality. I was affirming the choice of a diocese."

Eala: A point that should not be forgotten.

Yes... but if the Anglicans believe in the vocation of the priesthood, they have just silenced God. God calls and ordains His priests and He was pretty clear about their qualifications in His Testaments...

7 posted on 10/15/2003 7:54:34 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: kattracks
lol, great headline.

Anglican Leader Pressured on Gay Movement


8 posted on 10/15/2003 7:54:38 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: pgyanke
Yes... but if the Anglicans believe in the vocation of the priesthood, they have just silenced God. God calls and ordains His priests and He was pretty clear about their qualifications in His Testaments...

I'm not sure I follow you here...

9 posted on 10/15/2003 8:03:39 AM PDT by Eala (Note to ELF: it's "Burnt SieNNa," not "Burnt SieRRa!")
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To: kattracks
Archbishop Njongonkulu Ndungane of Southern Africa has suggested forming a high-level commission to study how the communion can live with differences over homosexuality.

Conservatives, however, say such a commission would be the equivalent of doing nothing.

LOL!! They pulled his covers (so to speak)!

10 posted on 10/15/2003 8:05:27 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: Eala
My point is that what the diocese wanted to elect isn't important when it comes to the vocation of priesthood... they don't do the calling (vocation), God does. That's the definition of vocation.

I can't remember the chapter and verse at the moment, but God laid out through his apostles the qualifications required of a priest or bishop... Robinson falls far short.
11 posted on 10/15/2003 8:16:02 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: pgyanke
Exactly: the qualifications state that a Bishop's conduct must be exemplary - and it's pretty clear that Fagboy Robinson is a long way from the usual definition of "exemplary."

Of course, nobody's completely useless;
Robinson could always be used as a bad example!
12 posted on 10/15/2003 8:54:28 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob
You wrote "Of course, nobody's completely useless;
Robinson could always be used as a bad example!"

while that's undoubtedly true, don't we have more than enough of those already?
13 posted on 10/15/2003 9:12:35 AM PDT by ahadams2 ( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
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To: secret garden; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel; ...
thanks to secret garden for the ping, Ping.
14 posted on 10/15/2003 9:15:09 AM PDT by ahadams2 ( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
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To: scripter
Ping
15 posted on 10/15/2003 9:47:43 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: pgyanke
1 Timothy 3 is probably the strongest. There are others.
16 posted on 10/15/2003 10:46:54 AM PDT by Credo
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To: Credo
Danke!
17 posted on 10/15/2003 10:50:32 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: kattracks
The head of the Episcopal Church, Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, has been trying to reach out to conservatives leading up to the summit. He has insisted his vote to approve Robinson "wasn't settling questions of sexuality. I was affirming the choice of a diocese."

And the SS troops at Auschwitz were just following orders.

Clue to Presiding Obfuscator Griswold: When it comes to sexuality, God makes it very clear, there is NO question.

19 posted on 10/16/2003 5:28:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Be a glow worm, a glow worm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum)
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To: TonyRo76
Looks right to me... thanks!
20 posted on 10/16/2003 6:17:00 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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