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To: Snidely Whiplash
The problem with the official Catholic position on birth control is that it's nonsensical.

"Every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil (Humanae Vitae 14).

Given that no form of birth control known to man renders procreation impossible, using contraception cannot be, in and of itself, intrinsically evil.

Hormonal forms of contraception carry the risk of causing a fertilized egg not to implant, which is a different form of evil. The same is true of IUDs.

Condoms, diaphragms, foam, etc., don't have this problem.

We've read dozens of posts by Catholics on this board explaining how condoms are not 100% effective. Well, that must mean that they aren't intrinsically evil, according to the official position of the Catholic church.

But wait - it gets better. If either the husband or the wife is sterile, either due to a birth defect, or a disease, or an accident, or menopause, they can have sex all they want without it being evil.

But? How can this be? How can it not be "evil" to have sex even though procreation is impossible? Don't ask me.

Also, it's not "evil" to prevent conception by keeping track of the woman's fertile periods and avoiding sex during them. Why not? Well, because this allows the possibility of procreation, if God wills it.

But? How does this differ from using foam, condoms, and diaphragms, which are actually LESS effective than the so-called rhythm method, or Billings method, which is highly effective if practiced 100% of the time? Don't ask me.

Oh, and what exactly is the "evil"? That you treat your spouse as a sex object, rather than cherish him/her.

It's double talk, from men who have never been married, and have no idea what it means to be married. They understand lust, which all men and women feel.

Oh, I forgot, they'll tell you that contraception leads to the "culture of death," whatever that is.

Here in America, the percentage of the population which is Catholic has held steady for many years at 28% or so. Of whom the vast majority use contraception.

In Rome, as I understand it, the churches are empty. Go figure. Could it be that they tell Catholics to go away, as many have told me on this thread? Hmmm . . . .

Anyway, it's Christ's church, not man's. Christ created it for his followers, not for the heirarchy.

These same birds will tell you in one and the same breath that the Pope is infallible but Vatican II was fraudulent. Again, go figure. That's the one that finally caused the light to dawn -- they don't believe 100% in everything Rome says any more than I do.
168 posted on 10/16/2003 8:01:27 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
Here in America, the percentage of the population which is Catholic has held steady for many years at 28% or so. Of whom the vast majority use contraception.

Nice try. How many years, exactly? Could it be since the 1970s when the Church in America started teaching heterodoxy instead of orthodoxy? When the Amchurch "intellectuals" vociferously protested against Humanae Vitae even to the point of taking out an ad in the NY Times? When the Catholic schools and universities gave a wink and a nod to Church doctrine on the subject and then promptly installed "sex education" programs that encouraged promiscuity. Is that the American Church you're talking about?

In Rome, as I understand it, the churches are empty. Go figure. Could it be that they tell Catholics to go away, as many have told me on this thread? Hmmm . . . .

Again, nice try, but you're lying. First off, the "churches in Rome" are never empty. They are filled with pilgrims. Have you ever been there? Second, those churches in Europe that are empty are the ones which have been propagating heterodoxy for decades now. Is it any wonder they're empty? If a restaurant advertised itself as "5-star" and you got there and all they served was chopped fish guts, would you stick around?

And finally, those churches, seminaries, and institutions here in the U.S. that I am familiar with which actually teach the true, unadulterated, unashamed Catholic doctrine--yes, even on birth control--are positively bursting at the seams. Why? Well, if you showed up at our Indult parish here in NJ, you'd see families with 4, 5, 6 young children.

Guess what? The Culture of Life will eventually breed out the Culture of Death ... it's only a matter of time.
182 posted on 10/16/2003 6:58:26 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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