Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

HIV/Aids: Catholic Church in Condom Palaver
AllAfrica ^ | Chioma Obinna

Posted on 10/14/2003 7:33:33 PM PDT by narses

The Catholic Church has been accused of warning people in African, Asian and other countries with high rates of HIV infection that condoms do not protect against the transmission of the virus, the claims come just a day after a report revealed that a young person is now infected with HIV every 14 seconds.

According to BBC report, "cardinals, bishops, priests and nuns in four continents of the church have been quoted as saying HIV can pass through tiny holes in condoms but latest warnings were made in a Panorama programme called 'Sex and the Holy City' by one of the Vatican's most senior cardinals Alfonso Lopez Trujillo who allegedly suggests that the AIDS virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon and could pass through net formed by the condom.

Trujillo, President of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for the Family, called on governments to urge people not to use condoms.

His words "These margins of uncertainty, should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do, with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."

In swift reaction to this claim, the World Health Organization (WHO) has condemned the comments and warned the Vatican to desist from putting lives at risk with such utterances.

A spokeswoman to WHO was quoted as saying that" Statements like this are quite dangerous"We are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people and currently affects around 42 million. "There is so much evidence to show that condoms don't let sexually transmitted infections like HIV through. "Anyone who says otherwise is just wrong."

Also reacting, Catherine Hankins, Chief Scientific Advisor to UNAIDS,, argued that the statements by Catholic Church are totally incorrect saying that Latex condoms are impermeable. She added that latex condoms are not only good but can perfectly prevent HIV transmission from one person to another during sex.

According to her, " "It is very unfortunate to have this type of misinformation being broadcast, "It is a concern. From a technical point of view, the statements are totally incorrect. "Latex condoms are impermeable. They do prevent HIV transmission."

Meanwhile, several anti - AIDS campaigns have also condemned the call by the Vatican arguing that condoms are straightforward and effective way of preventing HIV transmission and to suggest otherwise is dangerous.

However, the claim by the Catholic Church is already having effect on the condom distribution activities of some anti HIV/AIDS programmes.

Efforts to get a reaction from Catholic Secretariat in Lagos were unsuccessful as at press time.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cafeteriacatholics; catholicchurch; catholiclist; hiv; tedkennedy
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 221-230 next last
To: WackyKat; ninenot; narses; Unam Sanctam
Is your morality grounded in some objective code of morality or just what makes you feel warm and fuzzy?

Do you also believe that more spending improves public "education"? Or in the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny or in Margaret Sanger?

As to your second last sentence, be sure to tell that to God when the time comes.

81 posted on 10/15/2003 4:07:22 AM PDT by BlackElk (Don't Western condom-pushers really intend to prevent African babies from being born?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: narses
In 1993 the University of Texas analyzed the results of 11 different studies that had tracked the effectiveness of condoms to prevent transmission of the AIDS virus. The average condom failure rate in the 11 studies for preventing transmission of the AIDS virus was 31%.

One reason condoms fail in preventing the transfer of AIDS is that latex condoms have tiny intrinsic holes called "voids." Sperm is larger than the holes, but the AIDS virus is 50 times smaller than these tiny holes which makes it easy for the virus to pass through [Source: Dr. C. M. Roland, editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology]. To give you an idea of how easy it would be for the virus to pass through these holes, just imagine a ping pong ball going through a basketball hoop.

Thanks for the info.

82 posted on 10/15/2003 4:44:18 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: narses
Thanks for posting this article, it's a real eye opener... a couple of observations... one, I always thought that condoms DID prevent AIDS unless the condom broke. That is the overall impression one gets from newspapers and the phrasiology used in AIDS awareness educational materials. Two... it's a misguided and morally superior person who believes that man cannot be better than he is.

HIV/AIDS: Condoms are risky

Thursday, 15 February 2001

Statement by ACDP [African Christian Democratic Party] MP Cheryllyn Dudley

The African Christian Democratic Party objects to the massive promotion of condoms during 'Condom Week' this week. People often fall pregnant when they are using condoms. No means of contraception is 100% safe. Condoms fail in their primary purpose of preventing pregnancy, and frighteningly, they are much less successful in preventing AIDS. The HIV virus is 450 times smaller than spermatozoa. Statistics reveal almost 15 failures per 100 sexual acts "protected" by condoms.

Given these dangers and the very real risks of infection, condom promoters are not allowed to call condom use 'safe' sex. They may only call it 'safer' sex. The truth is that if people really want to prevent AIDS, they must change their sexual behaviour. Sexual promiscuity is the principal cause of the spread of HIV/AIDS.

Condoms promote a false sense of security. Young people, particularly, get the idea that it is fine to do whatever you want, as long as you use a condom. The large posters of condoms plastered all over our county has and will do nothing to stem the horrific spread of AIDS.

The African Christian Democratic Party therefore proposes that this week be called Abstinence and Faithfulness week. As regards the sexual behaviour people choose, no one is fully protected from a horrible slow death from AIDS unless they are faithful in marriage and abstinent before. And no amount of handing out of condoms to teenagers and false promises about condoms is going to change that.

Unlike our government, Uganda has promoted abstinence and faithfulness as their primary weapons against AIDS. As a result, the spread of HIV in Uganda dropped from 45% to 35% in the men examined at the clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in Kampala, and from 21% to 5% in the pregnant women examined in Jinja between 1990 and 1996. 56% of boys from 15 to 19 years-old said in 1995 that they had had no sexual relations, as compared with 31% in 1989, and 46% of girls said the same thing in 1995, as compared with 26% in 1989 and they are marrying at an older age.

The important factor was the decrease in sexual relations outside marriage, and not increased condom usage.


83 posted on 10/15/2003 5:07:54 AM PDT by american colleen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: WackyKat
The Church's position is simply summarized: it is NOT permissible to do evil, even to achieve a good.

Using artificial means of contraception are an evil, regardless of the possibility that such means MAY prevent disease.

And we emphasize MAY. Rubbers are virtually useless for AIDS prevention, as has been demonstrated over the last several years by countless studies, which are NOT paid for by the rubber/contraceptive industry.

I am certain that you do not take the word of the UN at face value, eh?
84 posted on 10/15/2003 5:18:11 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: narses
latex condoms deteriorate in a warm climate.

and using them goes against African tradition.

Finally, those who are most promiscuous are not practicing Christians, they are (like in the US) nominal Christians.

And of course, condom use is an expensive "prevention" to stop HIV, which ignores the HIV spread thru unsterilized needles and traditional scarification therapy with unsterile knives.
85 posted on 10/15/2003 5:33:28 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politcially correct poor people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: narses
I have no idea what to say to these claims because I have not put the research into the problem in Africa. I do know that they practise "dry sex" which leads to cut in the vagina and spreads AIDS more.

I have to take this from a personal and motherly point of view. If any of you really care for those people in Africa, think of them as one of your children. Would you want your son or daughter taking the risk of a lifethreatening disease on that sense of false securtiy which condoms give? Who knows what the actual percentage of contracting AIDS while having sex with HIV patients. If one does not take the risk, one will never have the risk.

My niece worked at an adult shop when she was in Police Academy. They were told to never tell someone that a condom will protect a person from STD's. They could give additions (ie, dental damns and female condoms - sorry if this is too explicit) and say that it would improve the odds but never give the advice that the condom companies were giving. This store was in the sex trade and if they would not give the advice that the WHO is giving out, why would anyone????
86 posted on 10/15/2003 5:46:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Snidely Whiplash
If you're Catholic, I'll eat my hat.

Nominal doesn't count.
87 posted on 10/15/2003 6:29:49 AM PDT by TradicalRC (While the wicked stand confounded, Call me, with thy saints surrounded. -The Boondock Saints)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: WackyKat
On the contrary, you think condoms will usher in a Brave New World of freedom. liberation and consequence free sex. The new dark ages are here, my friend with all the disease and death you want and YOU are the reason why.
88 posted on 10/15/2003 6:33:16 AM PDT by TradicalRC (While the wicked stand confounded, Call me, with thy saints surrounded. -The Boondock Saints)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: WackyKat
The Church is telling the truth but progressives like yourself can't handle the truth.

You're the ones who value the "progressive" sexual liberation policy above people's lives.

What really kills me is that you guys think your being compassionate. Yeah, if Russian roulette is compassionate.
89 posted on 10/15/2003 6:37:39 AM PDT by TradicalRC (While the wicked stand confounded, Call me, with thy saints surrounded. -The Boondock Saints)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: honeygrl
The Catholic Church is against arificial birth control. Natural Family Planning, which is NOT the "rhythm method" is just as successful as artificial means but leaves open the possibility of life. That is a matter of faith and doctrine in the Catholic Church.

This isn't a fantasy world either. In the real world, condoms are readily available yet AIDs, even where condom use is supported heavily, is skyrocketing. That's the real world. In the real world, not having sex is the best way to stop the spread of AIDS. In the real world, the excuse of "they're just going to have sex anyway" does NOT fly.

Tell me, do you plan on putting your 12 year old daughter on the pill? How about your 12 boy? Are you going to arm him with condoms?

90 posted on 10/15/2003 6:44:47 AM PDT by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: WackyKat
What the heck does the mention of "rubbers" in the Bible have to do with anything?

Talk about twisted...

BTW, the "morally twisted" person you referenced holds the mainline belief of the majority of Catholics. Keep insulting us...it's helpful.

91 posted on 10/15/2003 6:51:21 AM PDT by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Snidely Whiplash
Who the hell are you to call others "asses"?
92 posted on 10/15/2003 6:53:32 AM PDT by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue
A 10% chance of transmission does NOT mean no chance of transmission. That is not in any way, shape or form "safe sex". The term "safe sex" is a lie. The anti-abstinence and pro-promiscuity ideology of "safe sex" is a lie.
93 posted on 10/15/2003 7:11:23 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: narses
In a 10% failure rate environment, how often must one have sex before you are likely to die? 10 times? 100 times?

This is what everyone overlooks. No one uses a condom just once. Anyone who makes a condom part of his regular sex life is going to be using it scores of times, hundreds of times. A failure rate of 10% or even 1% may be acceptable when the undesired consequence is conception: human nature being what it is, most mothers tend to love their children no matter how inconvenient their arrival - and for the cold-hearted, stupid, or easily frightened, abortion is increasingly promoted as a way out. But when the down side is acquiring a lethal, wasting disease, the same odds become a lot less attractive. What's essential to remember is that the odds of failure increase over multiple uses. The same strategy that's 99% "safe" for a single occasion becomes only 90.4% reliable over 10 consecutive uses. For a carefree young man that's a month, or a week for a prostitute. Over 100 consecutive uses, "safety" drops to only 36.6%. (Remember, the condom only has to fail once for the users to become exposed.) And over 500 uses, the user has only a 0.7% expectation of being protected. And remember - these odds assume unrealistically ideal conditions. Studies indicate that most everyday users of condoms experience failure rates substantially higher than 1%.

What's clear is that over a period of just a few years, or even months, the condom strategy virtually guarantees the transmission of AIDS.

The twofold conclusion is obvious: first, far from attempting to impose a speculative theology, the Church's condemnation of condoms is a practical, hard-headed bid to save lives in the "real" world. Second, the Church's argument -- that only abstinence or marital continence can account for a drop in AIDS infection -- is spot on.

94 posted on 10/15/2003 7:12:36 AM PDT by Romulus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Unam Sanctam
"10% risk of transmission" is the lie. Less than 1% is what the studies show.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf

95 posted on 10/15/2003 7:25:04 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: Solson
Who the hell are you to call others "asses"?

Waaah. You get whatcha give, kiddo.

Snidely

96 posted on 10/15/2003 7:26:28 AM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

Comment #97 Removed by Moderator

To: BlackElk
Snidely, Planneed Barrenhood would attribute declining illiteracy rates, improved weather conditions and decreasing rates of male-pattern baldness to increased condom use.

If they actually did that, they'd be even bigger fools and idiots than they already are.

Did your mommy get scared by a Catholic priest when carrying you?

Don't you know...? I was hatched, like all those who favor condom use. We aren't human, after all. At least, it's easy to portray us that way, so I may as well embrace it.

Snidely

98 posted on 10/15/2003 7:31:09 AM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Romulus
According to the NIH, if a condom is ALWAYS used for vaginal intercourse, the risk of seroconversion is .9% in 100 person years. That's miniscule.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf

It also prevents transmission of other sexually transmitted diseases.

I don't know about you, but as a Catholic, I am getting rather tired of members of the Church telling lies in order to accomplish religious goals. Condoms are not 100% effective, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used. The message comes across as "why bother?"

Men don't like using condoms to begin with. Being told that condoms don't work won't stop them from having sex.

It certainly doesn't stop Catholic priests from having sex. We're all sinners.
99 posted on 10/15/2003 7:32:06 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: narses
Back in the eighties, when HIV was at its height and little was known about its transmission, I spoke to a man who was an epidemiologist who was brought to Los Angeles by USC to study the spread of HIV. The man told me that condoms were not much protection against the virus, but better than nothing due to the fragile nature of the virus. He warned that health care providers should always double glove because the HIV virus is so small that it can easily pass through microscopic holes in latex.

I, of course, asked why the gov't is lying to us about the degree of protection afforded by condoms and gloves. His reply was that the gov't was desperate to calm the hysteria.
100 posted on 10/15/2003 7:38:00 AM PDT by Eva
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 221-230 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson