MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH Terri Schiavo wants to live Family reveals secret therapy sessions held for brain-disabled woman scheduled to die
Posted: October 14, 2003 2:50 p.m. Eastern
Terri Schindler-Schiavo does not want to die. She would like to go home. And she tried to convey this to her father in no uncertain terms by sitting bolt upright and trying to get out of her chair when told she might be killed, her family has revealed.
The stunning news was released at noon Eastern today by Terri's father, Robert Schindler, at the 'round-the-clock vigil outside the Woodside Hospice facility in Pinellas Park, Fla., where his daughter's court-ordered death by starvation is scheduled to begin tomorrow at 2 p.m. Eastern. At that time, her husband and legal guardian Michael Schiavo is scheduled to give the order to disconnect the 39-year-old brain-disabled woman's feeding tube that has provided her with sustenance for the past 13 years.
In an interview a few hours earlier, Schindler described the incident to WorldNetDaily. He said he was holding a cell phone to Terri's ear as she listened intently to the speaker, propped in her jerry-chair at about a 30-degree angle. Suddenly she sat up straight and tried to get out of her chair, despite her weak legs and muscles that were slack from lack of exercise.
His daughter's response stunned Schindler, who grabbed the phone and asked, "My God, what did you tell her?"
The speaker said he had warned, "If you don't get up and get out of there, you're going to die there."
"He was ecstatic when I told him what Terri had tried to do," Schindler said.
And so was Schindler. It was part of a covert rehabilitation program the desperate father and Galaxy Wave Group – a therapeutic company on the cutting-edge of medical technology – devised for Terri in a bold attempt to bring her to a point of recovery where even Florida judges would realize they could not allow her to be starved.
Beginning in late November last year and continuing until the end of February, Terri received daily, hour-long therapy sessions by telephone with company president Dr. Joe Champion or one of his therapists.
While Schindler held the phone to his daughter's ear, they would talk with her, giving her instructions and tasks: move your left arm, move your hand, and so on.
"We started right around Thanksgiving," Schindler recalled. "The first day Dr. Champion listened to the sounds she was making and said he felt it wouldn't be long before she was talking. That was the objective."
The therapy sessions lasted through February, but were interrupted by bouts of flu and other illnesses. One particularly severe illness caused her to relapse.
The "tough love" of telling Terri what lies in store for her was tried several times to stimulate her to work hard.
In a signed affidavit read at the press conference Champion described one of the sessions.
"In December of 2002, I confronted Ms. Schindler with the 'truth' and told her that unless she helped me in returning her from the comatose state that she was in that she was going to die a horrid death," he wrote. "I explained in detail that they would remove the single tube that was providing her nutrition and she would slowly die of starvation. At this point, it was reported by her father that she sat up in bed and became teary eyed."
That Terri understands her own mortality and reacts so strongly when threatened runs counter to the official notion that she is oblivious to her surroundings and will not even know she is being dehydrated and starved to death.
Shiavo's attorney, George Felos, a well-known "right-to-die" advocate, said the claims of improvement that the Schindlers have been making in the last few weeks are impossible.
"There is no cognition, no consciousness," he told the Tampa Tribune.
He further explained why no effort was made to spoon-feed her.
"She simply does not have the ability to take food or water by mouth," he said. "If they tried that, she would aspirate it and suffer an infection that would likely prove fatal."
To corroborate Schindler's account and for further details, WorldNetDaily contacted the person who worked with Terri via telephone. He agreed to be interviewed, but requested his name not be used.
According to "Mr. Smith," Terri was able to move her hand, her arm, her leg on command. She couldn't speak, but she followed instructions.
"The bottom line is she is not vegetative, the way the husband and the side the court has gone with want to portray her," Smith said. "She definitely has some brain damage and severe problems, but she is not a vegetable."
"The problem for Terri is that she can do things, but not on a consistent basis. One day she couldn't, another day she couldn't or wouldn't," he explained. "I can't tell you the reasons, but Terri has her good days and bad days. On a good day she can respond appropriately with no problems. She understands."
Some days are extremely good – like the day she tried to get out of her chair.
"The way Bob [Schindler] described it to you is exactly correct," Smith said. "She just about got out of that chair."
As he tells it: "I was telling her she has to work with us. I couldn't tell you my exact words now; it's been a year. But I was explaining to her that she needed to work with me, that if we could get her to the point to where she could prove to people that she understood, she could get out of there and go home with her parents. I was explaining to her that she had to work with us and respond or they were going to let her die. That's when she tried to get out of the chair."
Smith said they stopped the sessions when he had to leave the area for a couple of months and were not resumed on his return.
It is clear to Schindler that the therapy was working, but until now he has not wanted to talk about it. He could not even bring it up in court as evidence, because it possibly violated a court order.
The Schindlers had reason to suspect that their efforts to help Terri would not be appreciated and that Schiavo might even obtain a court order banning them from her room, as he had done in the past. At one point, he banned Terri's brother and sister from her room for five months simply because they asked the nurse to try and give her some pudding. But there were other instances.
At the initial trial in January 2000, the Schindlers' attorney at the time, Pamela Campbell, introduced into evidence a video of Terri made by a friend of her sister, Suzanne Schindler. It was shown on television news, and three doctors who saw it contacted Robert Schindler saying that they did not believe his daughter was in a persistent vegetative state, but that they wanted to examine her to be sure.
Schindler said he took each of them into her room, and they tested her reactions to stimuli. They found she was definitely not in a persistent vegetative state, that she was cognizant and could recognize her family, because when she saw members of her family she would smile and showed signs of recognition.
All three said they believed Terri had the ability to swallow because she was not drooling. The affidavits were sent to probate Judge George Greer requesting him to allow a swallowing test, which he summarily denied.
Greer accepted the affidavits but did not change his mind.
Schiavo was furious that a video had been made of Terri and doctors had been taken to visit her. In response to his demands, Greer issued an order banning further videotaping and any still photography, and a list of "approved" visitors was drawn up. The list was relatively long – over 40 names – but there was a catch. Visitors could only see Terri if accompanied by a family member. This meant even Terri's priest, Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, did not have normal access to her.
Schiavo and attorney Felos decided that greater controls were needed. In April 2000, they moved Terri surreptitiously from the nursing home that had been her home for six years to the Hospice of the Florida Sun Coast, a place intended for people in the last stages of an illness.
Regulations generally prohibit a hospice from taking a patient who is not terminally ill and expected to live longer than six months to a year. But Felos was chairman of the board of directors of the hospice and was able to arrange for her admission. He resigned his position shortly thereafter.
A year later, in April 2001, her death by dehydration was ordered to begin, and the day her feeding was stopped her brother and sister came by with a spoon and a cup of pudding, asking a nurse to try to feed her by mouth. The nurse refused and reported the request to others. When Schiavo found out he demanded that Bobby and Suzanne be removed from the list of approved visitors, and Greer rubberstamped his request.
"We were trying to play by the rules," Bobby told WorldNetDaily. "But that didn't matter. We were kicked off the list anyway."
Terri was 60 hours without food or water before a different judge issued an emergency stay because new evidence had come to light, and her feeding was resumed.
The evidence was strong enough for a stay, but not strong enough to end Schiavo's efforts. A series of appeals followed, and in November 2001, the 2nd District Court of Appeals ordered an evidentiary hearing held in the fall of 2002.
Five months following their banishment from the Hospice, Bobby and Suzanne Schindler had their visiting rights restored, but only on condition that they not attempt any spoon-feeding.
"I don't want anyone trying to feed that girl," Greer thundered.
Greer did not specifically placed audio-taping and therapy-by-telephone on the list of banned activities, but experience had taught the Schindler family that it was best to keep such efforts to themselves rather than run the risk of angering Schiavo and having their visiting rights suspended.
As WorldNetDaily reported, the Schindlers have been fighting with their son-in-law for 10 years over the lack of care and therapy Schiavo provided for their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under mysterious circumstances at the age of 26.
The contentious family dispute escalated into a major euthanasia battle in May 1998, when Schiavo petitioned the Florida courts for permission to end his wife's life by disconnecting her feeding tube, insisting she is in a "persistent vegetative state" and that in casual conversations she had told him she would not want to be kept alive "artificially." Although Terri breathes on her on and maintains her own blood pressure, she requires a simple tube into her abdomen to her stomach for nourishment and hydration.
Although Terri's parents and siblings have claimed for years that she recognizes them and tries to talk, and over a dozen prominent doctors and therapists have stated under oath that she is not in a persistent vegetative state and with therapy could be rehabilitated, a handful of doctors have testified she is "vegetative." They claim her expressions and vocalizations are simply reflex actions and she will never regain consciousness. Despite a scarcity of expert testimony and evidence for Schiavo's position, the Florida courts have consistently sided with him and Felos.
When the seven-member Florida Supreme Court in August turned down an petition by the Schindlers to review the case, the way was clear for Schiavo to order his wife starved to death.
On Sept. 17, Greer, of the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court, scheduled Oct. 15 as the day Terri's feeding tube would be removed.
Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry is coordinating the vigil. He advises anyone who wants to help Terri to telephone Gov. Jeb Bush and urge him to instruct the Department of Children and Families, which enforces standards of hospice care, to do their own investigation to see if she has been getting proper care and rehabilitation.
"Which we know she has not and will not if they take her tube away," said Terry. "And when they find she has not, then Bush can order them to assume guardianship. They must take the guardianship away from the husband."
Jeb Bush's e-mail is jeb@jeb.org. His telephone is (850) 488-4441.
Legal documents and information on Terri's fight for life are posted on the family's website.
Gov. Bush's plea for Schindler-Schiavo rejected
Sarah Foster is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.
"Apparently liberals define life as 'the ability to swallow.' It follows that Monica Lewinski has nothing to worry about."
1. Isn't it sad that one person holding that office can make it possible to make jokes of this kind about the POTUS?
2. If Monica had talked, she would have had a great deal to worry about. She would have committed 'suicide' and the media wouldn't have been very keen on looking too closely into the matter. Indeed, if she would have cooperated with exposing Bubba's activities, we'd be saying, "Monica who?"
I regret having made that joke on this thread. Liberals piss me off to the point where I sometimes lower myself to their level.
Prayers for Terri. I believe that this is somehow going to work out.
Maybe MR. Schiavo offered the judge part of the inheritance after Terri dies...or maybe the judge is just outright evil.
PLEASE TAKE ACTIONS - HAVE PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH AND
FLORIDA GOVERNOR JEB BUSH STOP THIS MADNESS. SAVE
TERRI AN INNOCENT DISABLED WOMAN WHO HAS THE WILL TO
LIVE FROM IMO CRIMINAL HUSBAND, JUDGE, AND COURTS.
EXECUTIVE ORDERS CAN STOP THIS NOW. IN THE LAND OF THE
FREE AND THE BRAVE AND THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR HOW
CAN THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? PLEASE FIGHT FOR
TERRI'S LIFE. SHE NEEDS YOU RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND.
THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND. PLEASE SPREAD THE
WORD FAR AND WIDE RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND IN ANY WAY
YOUR CAN THINK OF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
REMEMBER IF YOU TAKE ACTION AND TELL OTHERS TO TAKE
ACTION AND THEY DO THE SAME, ETC. WE WILL HAVE A GEOMETRICAL PROGRESSION OF ACTIONS. AGAIN WE BESEECH
THE PRESIDENT AND FLORIDA GOVERNOR TO BRING A HALT TO TERRI'S EXECUTION, MURDER, ETC. BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:19:17 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
angleena@iowatelecom.net writes:
Terri did have a swollowing test done several years
ago. From what
I understand, the last time she was tested was when
the lawsuit was
initially started several years ago.
A nurse on the AOL Message board insists that a
swallowing test is REQUIRED BY LAW every 6 months if
you have a feeding tube and I KNEW Terri had not been
getting them,
"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by
government. They are every human being's entitlement
by virtue of his humanity."
- Mother Theresa ("Notable and Quotable," Wall Street
Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)
http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri/chat Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:09 AM
Kangaroo courts and the Executive Power /
Terri's will to live
10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails
to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a
Message to Michael Shiavo)
Posted by
pc93 to No More Gore Anymore
On News/Activism
10/19/2003 8:32 AM PDT #204 of 214
To: Lawdoc;
dixiegrrl; supercat; Pegita
Rumours have been
flying aroun the internet and people are getting
things mixed up. This summary on one page seems to be
the most accurate.
"Judge George Greer: Ruler
of the Kangaroo Court set on killing Terri Schiavo.
Impartial? Not in the least! Worked side by side as
county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county
commissioner) for eight YEARS. Barbara Sheen Todd is
on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's
fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of
Martha Lenderman (also on the hospice board! See the
Hospice Board members! Greer accepted as the basis of
his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael
Schiavo (and his family) that Terri would wish to be
killed, yet Michael never stated that before he got
about a Million Dollars to care for Terri forever.
Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the
"opinion" of a third doctor who just happens to be the
brother of a close associate of George Felos,
right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former
CHAIRMAN of the hospice board! If there ever was a
rigged court, Judge Greer's is it!"
398 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41 AM PDT
by
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The war for Terri Schiavo's life- some
links
Posted by pc93 to
IcelandicConservative
On News/Activism 10/19/2003
8:30 AM PDT #412 of 417
Ok. Sorry. Yes she is
conscious but Jeb needs to do something straightaway
as she has gone without food or water since Oct. 18 at
8AM.
Jeb has the duty to uphold the laws of
Florida. He has been notified that a murder is taking
place in his state on his watch, to a defensless
diabled person. She is being starved and dehydrated
against her will, upon the false testimony that she is
brain dead and wants to die. She is not either.
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9:00 AM
JEB PLEASE SAVE TERRI
NOW
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schi ndler.asf
http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cabl e.mov
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download TERRI HAS BEEN WITHOUT WATER AND NUTRITION
SINCE
OCT. 15TH 8AM. PLEASE BESEECH JEB TO SAVE
HER
AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO HAS THE
POWER
TO DO SO VIA EXECUTIVE
ORDER.
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----- Original Message
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From: "Tammy Nicholas"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October
19, 2003 3:34 AM
Subject: [helpterri] Fwd:
IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY
And Very Important
Info
>
> ---
TERRISHOPE@aol.com wrote:
> > From:
TERRISHOPE@aol.com > > Date:
Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:26:35 EDT
> > Subject:
IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY And Very
> > Important
Info
> > To:
TERRISHOPE@aol.com > >
> > Hi
Everyone,
> > I have to do this ... this way, I
have (many of
you
> > know this) tried to
email
> > you all one on one and I just can't keep
up, I am
> > losing it here. So it's a
> > MASS
mail now, PLEASE bear with me. Let me try
and
> > tell you all ... all I
> > know
and some other things as well. First of all,
> >
there are many rumors going
> > around and they are
making me mad, but I have got
to
> > ignore
them because I don't
> > have TIME to waste and you
know what, neither do
> > you. So if you want
to
> > listen to me and believe me that''s a good
thing,
> > because you will only get FACTS
> >
from me, no made up BS. This isn't a game. And
if
> > I am half dead here I can
> >
just imagine how all of you are holding up. You
are
> > fighting none stop, many
> > of
you are putting ALL of your time and efforts
into
> > this and you are
> > AMAZING!!
God bless all of you!!
> >
> > Okay now, first
off... Terri as of RIGHT NOW 2 AM
> > Florida time
has been
> > without food, water and any meds (meds
that I am
> > aware of) for 88 hours. Her
tube
> > was removed HOURS AFTER her last feeding,
remember
> > she was only being fed
> > twice a
day. She is still responding and aware!!!
> > She
is still fighting for her
> > blessed life! "She
has a will to live people!!!"
> > We have got to be
her
> > voice, we just have to, it is the RIGHT
thing to
do,
> > we can't give up on her,
this
> > has got to be a sign to us ... how much
more can
> > anyone take, her, her parents
> >
and us??? I don't know, you all tell me. It is
>
> said God will NOT put more
> > on you then you
can bare!!! Do you believe that??
> > I think
Terri's family is
> > our LIVING PROOF!
> >
>
> I have been asked MANY questions about many
> >
different things, a lot I can
> > tell you, some I
can't and some is just simply NOT
> > important,
please trust me. I
> > am in contact with the
family and also someone who
> > is closer to this
daily!!
> > I will NOT let you be in the dark, you
guys made
Jeb
> > Bush act!! He may
not
> > have done anything more then PROMISE the
family
that
> > he would stop this if
at
> > all possible, but WE are making him KEEP his
promise
> > now!!! Trust me, your
> >
voices were hear and they were loud! None of you
>
> are allowed to get a sore
> > throat now... Keep
BOMBARDING Jeb Bush and
everyone
> > I send
you email address's
> > to... and keep the faith.
Something will happen.
> >
> > For those of you
who have asked... Terri is not
> > allowed flowers,
teddy bears,
> > a comfortable, soft warm socks,
she is allowed
> > NOTHING! She never as had
>
> flowers, cards or stuffed animals to brighten
her
> > days ... her loving husband
> > Michael
will NOT allow it. She is not allowed a
wet
> > wash rag on her lips. They
> >
will put Vaseline on mouth. That's it folks.
> >
Please read my emails ... this
> > was stated in
the past, however I realize many of
> > you have
just recently
> > joined this team of Angel's and I
do mean ANGELS
...
> > so to those of you
who are
> > new...WELCOME, God BLESS YOU and I am
sorry we
have
> > too meet like this, all
of
> > us.
> >
> > But do you all realize
that that sweet woman who
> > even now while she
lays
> > dying is bring sooo many good people
together.
She
> > is STILL spreading her
love,
> > the same love she spread to everyone who
knew her
> > before her night of hell.
> > Terri
to my knowledge (someone heard this rumor
and
> > ask me) is NOT chained to
> >
her bed. She may be restrained because she may
have
> > grand Mal seizers because
> >
of the lack of fluid in her system, lets pray
not.
> > Which is a reason they may
> > restrain
her ... but No she is not chained to the
> > bed.
God bless her. :(
> > This is killing many of us
too... Precious ones I
> > KNOW how you feel, all
of your
> > feeling are sooo real, it hurts!
>
>
> > Tomorrow morning at 10 am anyone and everyone
who
> > can get up to that hell
> > hole hospice
house (God please forgive me as I
know
> >
Hospice does do good for
> > many, it has also
helped those I've loved and lost
> > in the past)
it is just THAT
> > place that has me crazy!! But
anyone who can
attend
> > the protest
PLEASE, PLEASE
> > go, even if only for 30 minutes,
but I assure you,
> > if you go up there or
down,
> > whatever the case my be, you'll want to
stay for a
> > while, you just will. But
> >
then it will weaken you and the feelings of
> >
overwhelming sadness will make
> > you want to come
home again, but d not let that
stop
> >
you, PLEASE!
> >
> > As this family is
horrified, grief stricken and
> > slowly dying with
their
> > daughter/sister, they will STILL welcome
you with
> > open arms!!!!! I promise you
> >
that, find them among the crowd or in the camper
>
> that is parked right there
> > across the street
and tell them who you are and
tell
> > them
you are with Lisa and the
> > TERRISHOPE group,
They will know exactly who you
> > are, just not
your name.
> > Sometimes there are 5 supporters
there, sometimes
20
> > sometime 50 and
sometimes
> > as many as 200. It changes
constantly, but the
more
> > that go, the
better. And
> > yes, people stay through the
night, all night we
> > did.
> >
> > There
are people from all over the world there I
> >
swear to you, all the way
> > from Germany! I have
met wonderful people, from
> > Colorado, Ga.
Nebraska,
> > Washington, Calif. ... all over!! I
was sooo
> > touched and I know you will be
too...
> > All walks of life, red, yellow, black
and white,
> > Jesus had all in his site!! I
>
> started everyone singing God bless America,
Amazing
> > Grace, Jesus us loves us,
>
> we talked, we prayed, we cried, we paced, we
yelled
> > out Bush save Terri over
> >
and over to the lying media! You guys just
weren't
> > lucky enough to hear us
> >
because they cut a lot of it out! We yelled out
>
> many things, you just take the
> > steps and get
everyone to join in ... do not be
> > afraid,
someone has to get
> > people there started, but
keep it peaceful! And
> > when someone is
being
> > interviewed try and stay quiet. You can
talk to
> > others about your feelings we all
did,
> > many are full of anger, many are silent
and just
> > pray and that's okay too.
> >
>
> Be advised ... be very ready for someone in the
>
> media to interview you,
> > there's a good chance
of that, be ready to speak
up,
> > be calm
and be clear that
> > Terri is NOT in a coma, that
she is not a
vegetable,
> > that she is
being murdered
> > and you are there because you
want it stopped! Be
> > ready folks! I was
> >
interviewed 5 times!! There is media there local
>
> and National from all over, although
> > it has
really slowed way down, BUT it will pick
back
> > up now that Voters will
> > be
shredding their voters registration cards
> >
tomorrow and they also will have a
> > Sunday
service for Terri. Also there are MANY
> > police
officers there, more
> > now then before and
honestly I found them all to
be
> > very
nice, just do NOT step
> > on the grass that
belongs to the hell hole!!! You
> > will be
confronted!
> >
> > As for Jeb Bush, YES ... he
can and it is his DUTY
> > to stop this, what he
has
> > said is political bull caca! HE CAN SAVE
HER ...
If
> > he doesn't, I'd hate to
>
> be in his shoes. HE NEEDS TO DO THIS and do it
>
> YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! Believe
> > me, this is
TRUE, he CAN do it, it is in his
power!
> >
STAY ON him and the others
> > whom I email you
about and don't stop fighting
until
> > we
no longer have any
> > reason to fight. Then we
can deal with the rest
of
> > the evil ones
... they will
> > hang!!
> >
> > Okay, I hope
for right now, just for tonight, I
have
> >
answered some questions
> > for all of you. I
really am trying and this is
all
> >
effecting me too... I just
> > want t go into the
closet and hide and cover my
> > ears. I can't
bare to answer
> > my phone, it scares me, Jinks
cell phone rings and
> > we hold our breath
with
> > worry. So please believe me, I am really
doing my
> > very best to keep you
> > informed
at all times about everything, but I
can't
> > tell you things that don't
know
> > and I have learned already not to repeat
what I
hear
> > unless I hear it from
the
> > family, because everyone has a different
view on
how
> > they see AND hear
things.
> >
> >
> > I am so tired dear ones
... just mentally and
> > emotionally drained and
the
> > clock ticks on. It is now 3 AM :( and 89
hours
for
> > Our sister Terri ...
without
> > food and water. :( Please keep
praying hard for
> > her. Let Jeb Bush know
> >
whenever you think about it, send him the hours.
>
> Don't let him or his staff
> > forget through out
the days. We will get through
> > this together.
I will send
> > another update tomorrow and I will
do this
everyday
> > if at all possible,
more often
> > if I can ... THANK YOU ALL... Tammy
you too honey,
> > God loves you ... your
> >
doing a great job on our message board and once
> >
again for anyone who wants to
> > join the message
board that Tammy and I started
(she
> > did
the work, I am too dumb
> > with that stuff and it
couldn't have done it
> > witrhout her) email me
and I can
> > have Tammy get you started.
>
>
> > I hope all of you are in bed and resting.
Boy, we
> > sure made quite a team
> > here
didn't we? Somehow I am not at all
surprised.
> > I PROMISE TO KEEP YOU
ALL
> > POSTED with all the news good or bad as
soon as I
> > know, you'll know, no matter
> >
what it is. May God's Angels keep you safe and
> >
surround you with "Our Saviors
> > Love" always,
Lisa Pray for Terri PS here is the
> > address
for the hell hole
> > hospice hose in
Clearwater...
> > Hospice Woodside is located at
6774 102nd Avenue
> > North in Pinellas Park
and
> > is just west of 66th Street North.
> > A
group of Republican demonstrators are planning
to
> > shred their voter
> >
registration cards and officially change their
party
> > affiliations in order to
call
> > attention to the Governorâ?Ts refusal to
intervene
> > on behalf of Terri
> >
Schindler-Schiavo.
> > IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED
FROM THIS MAILING
> > GROUP...PLEASE EMAIL ME AND
TELL
> > ME...I will remove you within 48 hours and
I
promise
> > No uestions asked. Also
>
> if you delete UPDATES or URGENT emails from me,
I
> > will remove your name from
> > the list.
God bless you one and all, Lisa
>
>
REFS:
Refs:
supremecourt@flcourts.org Substantive
Contacts:
Craig Waters for the Supreme Court,
(850) 414-7641,
watersc@flcourts.org Brenda
Johnson, for the Office of
the State Courts
Administrator, (850) 922-5081,
johnsonb@flcourts.org Executive Office
of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask
to speak
to the following individuals):
Robert H.
Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to
Governor)
->
fernanr@eog.state.fl.us Raquel A. Rodriguez
(General Counsel to Governor) ->
raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com Christa
Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to
Governor) ->
calamac@eog.state.fl.us 850 / 488-3494 (voice)
850 / 488-9810
(fax)
Jeb Bush, Governor ->
jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com Voice: (850)488-4441
Voice:
(850)488-7146
Fax: (850)487-0801
Executive Office of the Governor
400
S. Monroe Street
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001
Ask to
speak to Lauren O'Conner
Attorney General
Charlie Crist ->
ag@oag.state.fl.us Office of
Attorney General Charlie Crist
State of
Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee,
FL 32399-1050
Main office telephone numbers
Voice: (850)414-3990
Fax:
(850)487-2564
Additional added note:
A
criminal investigation needs to be conducted by John
Ashcroft. Please demand of President Bush to
initiate
an investigation so that Mr. Ashcroft
can get
involved:
President George W.
Bush
c/o The White House
1600
Pennsylvania Ave.
N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500
Voice: (202)456-1111
Switchboard:
(202)456-1414
Fax: 1 202 456 2883
TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121
Although
you'll get an automated response, here are
the
e-mails for GW and Cheney:
President George W.
Bush:
president@whitehouse.gov Vice President
Richard Cheney:
vice.president@whitehouse.gov Fax: 1 202 456 2710
United States
Attorney General John Ashcroft:
(
AskDOJ@usdoj.gov)
Fax:202/514-1009
NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C.
area:
www.tpc.int/sendfax.html
Format
of number to input is:
(ex. Pres. U.S. [POTUS]) ->
1 202 456 2461
(ex. Ashcroft) -> 1 202 514 1009
Vice Pres. Dick Cheney 1 202 456 2710
U.S.
Senator John W Warner
1 202 224 6295
U.S.
Senator Bob Graham
1 202 224 2237
House
Representative Corrine Brown
1 202 225 2256
House Representative Henry Hyde
1 202 225
1166
etc.
U.S. Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_informat ion/senators_cfm.cfm
Saturday, October 18,
2003 5:29 PM
People needed at Hospice
Woodside, and also in Wash. DC. at the Whitehouse at
3PM
Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:09 AM
Kangaroo courts and the Executive Power / Terri's will to live
10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a Message to Michael Shiavo)
Posted by pc93 to No More Gore Anymore
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:32 AM PDT #204 of 214
To: Lawdoc; dixiegrrl; supercat; Pegita
Rumours have been flying aroun the internet and people are getting things mixed up. This summary on one page seems to be the most accurate.
"Judge George Greer: Ruler of the Kangaroo Court set on killing Terri Schiavo. Impartial? Not in the least! Worked side by side as county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county commissioner) for eight YEARS. Barbara Sheen Todd is on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of Martha Lenderman (also on the hospice board! See the Hospice Board members! Greer accepted as the basis of his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael Schiavo (and his family) that Terri would wish to be killed, yet Michael never stated that before he got about a Million Dollars to care for Terri forever. Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the "opinion" of a third doctor who just happens to be the brother of a close associate of George Felos, right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former CHAIRMAN of the hospice board! If there ever was a rigged court, Judge Greer's is it!"
398 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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The war for Terri Schiavo's life- some links
Posted by pc93 to IcelandicConservative
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:30 AM PDT #412 of 417
Ok. Sorry. Yes she is conscious but Jeb needs to do something straightaway as she has gone without food or water since Oct. 18 at 8AM.
Jeb has the duty to uphold the laws of Florida. He has been notified that a murder is taking place in his state on his watch, to a defensless diabled person. She is being starved and dehydrated against her will, upon the false testimony that she is brain dead and wants to die. She is not either.
Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:00 AM
JEB PLEASE SAVE TERRI NOW
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler.asf http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cable.mov http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download TERRI HAS BEEN WITHOUT WATER AND NUTRITION SINCE
OCT. 15TH 8AM. PLEASE BESEECH JEB TO SAVE HER
AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO HAS THE POWER
TO DO SO VIA EXECUTIVE ORDER.
---
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tammy Nicholas"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:34 AM
Subject: [helpterri] Fwd: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY
And Very Important Info
>
> ---
TERRISHOPE@aol.com wrote:
> > From:
TERRISHOPE@aol.com > > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:26:35 EDT
> > Subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY And Very
> > Important Info
> > To:
TERRISHOPE@aol.com > >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I have to do this ... this way, I have (many of
you
> > know this) tried to email
> > you all one on one and I just can't keep up, I am
> > losing it here. So it's a
> > MASS mail now, PLEASE bear with me. Let me try
and
> > tell you all ... all I
> > know and some other things as well. First of all,
> > there are many rumors going
> > around and they are making me mad, but I have got
to
> > ignore them because I don't
> > have TIME to waste and you know what, neither do
> > you. So if you want to
> > listen to me and believe me that''s a good thing,
> > because you will only get FACTS
> > from me, no made up BS. This isn't a game. And
if
> > I am half dead here I can
> > just imagine how all of you are holding up. You
are
> > fighting none stop, many
> > of you are putting ALL of your time and efforts
into
> > this and you are
> > AMAZING!! God bless all of you!!
> >
> > Okay now, first off... Terri as of RIGHT NOW 2 AM
> > Florida time has been
> > without food, water and any meds (meds that I am
> > aware of) for 88 hours. Her tube
> > was removed HOURS AFTER her last feeding, remember
> > she was only being fed
> > twice a day. She is still responding and aware!!!
> > She is still fighting for her
> > blessed life! "She has a will to live people!!!"
> > We have got to be her
> > voice, we just have to, it is the RIGHT thing to
do,
> > we can't give up on her, this
> > has got to be a sign to us ... how much more can
> > anyone take, her, her parents
> > and us??? I don't know, you all tell me. It is
> > said God will NOT put more
> > on you then you can bare!!! Do you believe that??
> > I think Terri's family is
> > our LIVING PROOF!
> >
> > I have been asked MANY questions about many
> > different things, a lot I can
> > tell you, some I can't and some is just simply NOT
> > important, please trust me. I
> > am in contact with the family and also someone who
> > is closer to this daily!!
> > I will NOT let you be in the dark, you guys made
Jeb
> > Bush act!! He may not
> > have done anything more then PROMISE the family
that
> > he would stop this if at
> > all possible, but WE are making him KEEP his
promise
> > now!!! Trust me, your
> > voices were hear and they were loud! None of you
> > are allowed to get a sore
> > throat now... Keep BOMBARDING Jeb Bush and
everyone
> > I send you email address's
> > to... and keep the faith. Something will happen.
> >
> > For those of you who have asked... Terri is not
> > allowed flowers, teddy bears,
> > a comfortable, soft warm socks, she is allowed
> > NOTHING! She never as had
> > flowers, cards or stuffed animals to brighten her
> > days ... her loving husband
> > Michael will NOT allow it. She is not allowed a
wet
> > wash rag on her lips. They
> > will put Vaseline on mouth. That's it folks.
> > Please read my emails ... this
> > was stated in the past, however I realize many of
> > you have just recently
> > joined this team of Angel's and I do mean ANGELS
...
> > so to those of you who are
> > new...WELCOME, God BLESS YOU and I am sorry we
have
> > too meet like this, all of
> > us.
> >
> > But do you all realize that that sweet woman who
> > even now while she lays
> > dying is bring sooo many good people together.
She
> > is STILL spreading her love,
> > the same love she spread to everyone who knew her
> > before her night of hell.
> > Terri to my knowledge (someone heard this rumor
and
> > ask me) is NOT chained to
> > her bed. She may be restrained because she may
have
> > grand Mal seizers because
> > of the lack of fluid in her system, lets pray not.
> > Which is a reason they may
> > restrain her ... but No she is not chained to the
> > bed. God bless her. :(
> > This is killing many of us too... Precious ones I
> > KNOW how you feel, all of your
> > feeling are sooo real, it hurts!
> >
> > Tomorrow morning at 10 am anyone and everyone who
> > can get up to that hell
> > hole hospice house (God please forgive me as I
know
> > Hospice does do good for
> > many, it has also helped those I've loved and lost
> > in the past) it is just THAT
> > place that has me crazy!! But anyone who can
attend
> > the protest PLEASE, PLEASE
> > go, even if only for 30 minutes, but I assure you,
> > if you go up there or down,
> > whatever the case my be, you'll want to stay for a
> > while, you just will. But
> > then it will weaken you and the feelings of
> > overwhelming sadness will make
> > you want to come home again, but d not let that
stop
> > you, PLEASE!
> >
> > As this family is horrified, grief stricken and
> > slowly dying with their
> > daughter/sister, they will STILL welcome you with
> > open arms!!!!! I promise you
> > that, find them among the crowd or in the camper
> > that is parked right there
> > across the street and tell them who you are and
tell
> > them you are with Lisa and the
> > TERRISHOPE group, They will know exactly who you
> > are, just not your name.
> > Sometimes there are 5 supporters there, sometimes
20
> > sometime 50 and sometimes
> > as many as 200. It changes constantly, but the
more
> > that go, the better. And
> > yes, people stay through the night, all night we
> > did.
> >
> > There are people from all over the world there I
> > swear to you, all the way
> > from Germany! I have met wonderful people, from
> > Colorado, Ga. Nebraska,
> > Washington, Calif. ... all over!! I was sooo
> > touched and I know you will be too...
> > All walks of life, red, yellow, black and white,
> > Jesus had all in his site!! I
> > started everyone singing God bless America,
Amazing
> > Grace, Jesus us loves us,
> > we talked, we prayed, we cried, we paced, we
yelled
> > out Bush save Terri over
> > and over to the lying media! You guys just
weren't
> > lucky enough to hear us
> > because they cut a lot of it out! We yelled out
> > many things, you just take the
> > steps and get everyone to join in ... do not be
> > afraid, someone has to get
> > people there started, but keep it peaceful! And
> > when someone is being
> > interviewed try and stay quiet. You can talk to
> > others about your feelings we all did,
> > many are full of anger, many are silent and just
> > pray and that's okay too.
> >
> > Be advised ... be very ready for someone in the
> > media to interview you,
> > there's a good chance of that, be ready to speak
up,
> > be calm and be clear that
> > Terri is NOT in a coma, that she is not a
vegetable,
> > that she is being murdered
> > and you are there because you want it stopped! Be
> > ready folks! I was
> > interviewed 5 times!! There is media there local
> > and National from all over, although
> > it has really slowed way down, BUT it will pick
back
> > up now that Voters will
> > be shredding their voters registration cards
> > tomorrow and they also will have a
> > Sunday service for Terri. Also there are MANY
> > police officers there, more
> > now then before and honestly I found them all to
be
> > very nice, just do NOT step
> > on the grass that belongs to the hell hole!!! You
> > will be confronted!
> >
> > As for Jeb Bush, YES ... he can and it is his DUTY
> > to stop this, what he has
> > said is political bull caca! HE CAN SAVE HER ...
If
> > he doesn't, I'd hate to
> > be in his shoes. HE NEEDS TO DO THIS and do it
> > YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! Believe
> > me, this is TRUE, he CAN do it, it is in his
power!
> > STAY ON him and the others
> > whom I email you about and don't stop fighting
until
> > we no longer have any
> > reason to fight. Then we can deal with the rest
of
> > the evil ones ... they will
> > hang!!
> >
> > Okay, I hope for right now, just for tonight, I
have
> > answered some questions
> > for all of you. I really am trying and this is
all
> > effecting me too... I just
> > want t go into the closet and hide and cover my
> > ears. I can't bare to answer
> > my phone, it scares me, Jinks cell phone rings and
> > we hold our breath with
> > worry. So please believe me, I am really doing my
> > very best to keep you
> > informed at all times about everything, but I
can't
> > tell you things that don't know
> > and I have learned already not to repeat what I
hear
> > unless I hear it from the
> > family, because everyone has a different view on
how
> > they see AND hear things.
> >
> >
> > I am so tired dear ones ... just mentally and
> > emotionally drained and the
> > clock ticks on. It is now 3 AM :( and 89 hours
for
> > Our sister Terri ... without
> > food and water. :( Please keep praying hard for
> > her. Let Jeb Bush know
> > whenever you think about it, send him the hours.
> > Don't let him or his staff
> > forget through out the days. We will get through
> > this together. I will send
> > another update tomorrow and I will do this
everyday
> > if at all possible, more often
> > if I can ... THANK YOU ALL... Tammy you too honey,
> > God loves you ... your
> > doing a great job on our message board and once
> > again for anyone who wants to
> > join the message board that Tammy and I started
(she
> > did the work, I am too dumb
> > with that stuff and it couldn't have done it
> > witrhout her) email me and I can
> > have Tammy get you started.
> >
> > I hope all of you are in bed and resting. Boy, we
> > sure made quite a team
> > here didn't we? Somehow I am not at all
surprised.
> > I PROMISE TO KEEP YOU ALL
> > POSTED with all the news good or bad as soon as I
> > know, you'll know, no matter
> > what it is. May God's Angels keep you safe and
> > surround you with "Our Saviors
> > Love" always, Lisa Pray for Terri PS here is the
> > address for the hell hole
> > hospice hose in Clearwater...
> > Hospice Woodside is located at 6774 102nd Avenue
> > North in Pinellas Park and
> > is just west of 66th Street North.
> > A group of Republican demonstrators are planning
to
> > shred their voter
> > registration cards and officially change their
party
> > affiliations in order to call
> > attention to the Governorâ?Ts refusal to intervene
> > on behalf of Terri
> > Schindler-Schiavo.
> > IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS MAILING
> > GROUP...PLEASE EMAIL ME AND TELL
> > ME...I will remove you within 48 hours and I
promise
> > No uestions asked. Also
> > if you delete UPDATES or URGENT emails from me, I
> > will remove your name from
> > the list. God bless you one and all, Lisa
> >
REFS:
Refs:
supremecourt@flcourts.org Substantive Contacts:
Craig Waters for the Supreme Court, (850) 414-7641,
watersc@flcourts.org Brenda Johnson, for the Office of
the State Courts Administrator, (850) 922-5081,
johnsonb@flcourts.org Executive Office of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask
to speak to the following individuals):
Robert H. Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to
Governor) ->
fernanr@eog.state.fl.us Raquel A. Rodriguez (General Counsel to Governor) ->
raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com Christa Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to
Governor) ->
calamac@eog.state.fl.us 850 / 488-3494 (voice)
850 / 488-9810 (fax)
Jeb Bush, Governor ->
jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com Voice: (850)488-4441
Voice: (850)488-7146
Fax: (850)487-0801
Executive Office of the Governor
400 S. Monroe Street
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001
Ask to speak to Lauren O'Conner
Attorney General Charlie Crist ->
ag@oag.state.fl.us Office of Attorney General Charlie Crist
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Main office telephone numbers
Voice: (850)414-3990
Fax: (850)487-2564
Additional added note:
A criminal investigation needs to be conducted by John
Ashcroft. Please demand of President Bush to initiate
an investigation so that Mr. Ashcroft can get
involved:
President George W. Bush
c/o The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500
Voice: (202)456-1111
Switchboard: (202)456-1414
Fax: 1 202 456 2883
TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121
Although you'll get an automated response, here are
the e-mails for GW and Cheney:
President George W. Bush:
president@whitehouse.gov Vice President Richard Cheney:
vice.president@whitehouse.gov Fax: 1 202 456 2710
United States Attorney General John Ashcroft:
(
AskDOJ@usdoj.gov)
Fax:202/514-1009
NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C. area:
www.tpc.int/sendfax.html
Format of number to input is:
(ex. Pres. U.S. [POTUS]) -> 1 202 456 2461
(ex. Ashcroft) -> 1 202 514 1009
Vice Pres. Dick Cheney 1 202 456 2710
U.S. Senator John W Warner
1 202 224 6295
U.S. Senator Bob Graham
1 202 224 2237
House Representative Corrine Brown
1 202 225 2256
House Representative Henry Hyde
1 202 225 1166
etc.
U.S. Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/sena tors_cfm.cfm
This story stretches credibility. How can a judge deny review of a human being, (with a very real chance of rehab potential), by specialists interested in offering a "second opinion"? Granted, the anecdotal evidence suggests that the lady is profoundly impaired, but that is hardly consistent with criteria for euthanasia under current U.S. case law.
P.S. In regard to your exchange with that earlier poster- if someone can't master the basic noun-verb-noun sentence structure thing, there is no real point in arguing with them. Pat "conservababe" on the head an move on.
I think that folks are, (deliberately), misinterpreting Jeb's sphere of influence. He CAN pardon criminals. Although he can certainly attempt to influence the outcome of this case, he CAN NOT coerce a rogue judiciary into obedience in a completely different scenario. Sure, I would like to see him address this issue, but the current implication seems to be that he can call up the Florida National Guard and send them over to storm the Justice Department. This A) ___ does, or B ___ does not coincide with the idea of three interlocking but relatively independent branches of government.
And that's my thoughts as well. No criminal law has been violated, he can't interfere, in spite of what some (a few?) well-meaning individuals may desire.
I'll have to drop in and say howdy one of these days!