Posted on 10/14/2003 12:45:53 PM PDT by mrustow
BTTT for an awesome post
I'm a former Midwest-based newspaperman with several years experience covering the crime & courts beat both as a writer and photog, initially for the old Chicago Daily News before it went under in 1978, then several newsmagazines and the short-lived St Louis Sun befor wrapping up my tenure in the Midwest as a syndicated columnist [no, please do NOT refer to me as *a syndicate guy*] for the Illinois/Indiana-based Hyatt newspaper chain.
I'm semiretired, but remain a consultant on those and other matters, both for newspapermen on deadlines looking for good story details and for book authors trying to fill chapters, check their facts or grab a little reasonably knowledgable informed speculation. And I have a couple of research projects on the burner even now....
My maternal granddad was a New Jersey guy, at one time the state commander of the NJ Veterans of Foreign Wars. I heard a few stories from him about the way things were done, and in Chicago and environs saw them put in practice and realized the old boy was not spoofing me a bit.
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But what on earth is an "Anglo" --- why are you singling out the British here?
You're welcome, and feel free to ping me any time you'd like my estimate of any sort of related or derivitive news or FReeppostings...which can cover quite a chunk.
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There is now, and it's all your doing! Am I about to have fun the next time I have to fill out any form or inquiry- ..... And if they do not like my Britannic response, those filthy racists can just go to hell.
Well, as a proud Britannic, you will need your own Roman coin from back in the days when we were all one Roman Empire.
Here ya go:
Bronze As of Emperor Antoninus Pius honoring Britannia
Here ya go:
Hey, cool. I suppose you could say that *All in all, we're just another brick in the Hadrian's wall....
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I didn't coin these ridiculous terms terms, FITZ. I am merely passing them on. If you note, I wrote "so-called Anglos".
This B.S. is even in the medical literature: Infant-feeding practices among middle-class Anglos and Hispanics.
The way "Anglo" is used nowadays in the U.S., it means a white, American-born, English-speaking person who does not have a Spanish surname. The fact that the so-called "Anglo" could be 100% ethnically German, Polish, Italian, Swedish, Danish, Greek or Lithuanian does not seem to matter.
Now, the way that the American news media labels someone such as myself depends on the situation.
If the article is about how successful my medical practice is, I would be labelled an "Hispanic" or a "Latino".
If the article is about how I did something that the news media totally disapproves of, I would be labelled a "Cuban exile".
If the article is about how I spray-painted racist graffitti on a black man's house, I would be labelled a "white man".
I know you didn't ---- "anglo" is a completely silly word they invented --- at least with "hispanic" most have at least one ancestor who spoke Spanish but maybe nothing else in common. "Anglo" is even more vague because their ancestors may have nothing in common whatsoever.
We apparently think alike. (See Post 114 above.) :-)
The Guatemalan Indian and the Mexican mestizo were never called "Hispanic" in their own country. Only when they cross into the U.S. are they given that name which, incidently, they hate.
It is exacly analogous to declaring that English Speaking Native Americans will, from now on, be called "British". The term not only strips the Indios of their Indian roots. It also strips the Spanish European of his ancient roots.
The point that Nasstarr and I are trying to make is that the term "hispanic", in the way you are using it on this post and in the way that the American media uses it, is a co-opted term whose meaning has been totally turned on it's head.
Nowhere else in the world except in certain U.S. circles and not in Spain, not in Europe and not in Latin America, is the term "Hispanic" used as a euphimism for "non-white Spanish speaker".
In Spain, "Hispano" (from Hispania) specifically means Spain as in for example, III Seminario Hispano-Portugués de Periodistas España y Portugal en el nuevo horizonte europeo
Now, the Portuguese will take exeption to this and protest that Lusitania was just as much a part of Roman Hispania as Spain was and that the Spaniards have no right to take the name solely for themselves.
A few years ago, on the Iberian History Discussion List ESPORA-L which is populated by posters in Iberia as well as the Americas, a thread began about the "Spanish Armada" and a Portuguese historian posted that a more proper term would be the "Hispanic Armada" as Portugal also had ships in it. (On ESPORA-L, English, Spanish and Portuguese were all used. The Portuguese wrote his "Hispanic Armada" post in Portuguese.) A Spaniard then chided the Portuguese about now wanting Portugal to be part of Spain as, the Spaniard claimed, Hispano and Hispanic specifically meant Spain.
The Portuguese properly corrected the Spaniard as follows:
Sender: History of the Iberian Peninsula
From: ***** <******@INDIVIDUAL.EUNET.PT>
Subject: Re: Spanish Armada
To: Multiple recipients of list ESPORA-L
About de Spanish an the Hispanic, the question is that spanish is from Spain - excluding Portugal - and Hispanic is from Iberia Peninsula or Hispania, including Portugal.
Those are the two ways that the term "Hispanic" is used in the Iberian Peninsula itself. The Spaniards have taken it exclusively for themselves and the Portuguese rightly point out that they are "Hispanic" too.
Now, the Spaniard comes to the U.S. and his 2,200 years of cultural history are summarilty thrown out the window by being informed by some that "Hispanic" refers not to his ancient civilization that produced Trajan, Hadrian and the Senecas but to the non-white Mesoamerican Indians who hate being called "Hispanics" as much as the Irish hate being called "Brits".
A recently arrived Spaniard, before he is acquainted with U.S. Politically Correct euphimisms will take it as a matter of fact that he is himself a Hispanic and that the Mexican with mixed Indian apearance is a Mexicano Mestizo and that the Mexican with no apparent trace of white ancestry is a Mexicano Indio. The Spaniard, being a jovial sort and having studied his English in Europe might readily admit that he is a gay fellow.
Only later, when he learns the code words, is he forced to foresake the name of ancient Hispania and make it perfectly clear that he is not gay.
The absurdity of these euphimism was recently illustrated by the newest member a our medical community, a Mexican surgeon who hails from Mexico City. His office nurse asked him what ethnicity label he preferred. Hispanic? Latino? Chicano? What?
He replied, "Why don't you just use 'Mexican'? That is, after all, what I am."
You're projecting, Disruptor, 10/15/2003. Show where Stix uses the term "Hispanics" racially. In fact, he explicitly criticizes such usage. You are dishonestly projecting the usage Stix criticized onto Stix himself. I guess you're hoping that most people reading your post won't have read the article.
Why shouldn't Stix get bent out of shape, when a TV reporter makes a racist remark? You're not bent out of shape, because you are pleased by racist remarks, as long as whites are on the receiving end of them.
Finally, Stix's remark that "Hispanic" originally only referred to the colonies of Spain [where on earth does he get this from???], and therefore, Rita Hayward whose father was from Spain is not Hispanic is the height of absurdity.
He used longtime American usage. Your pathetic word games are what is absurd -- and ignorant!
And it's Hayworth, not "Hayward." You have the singular distinction of being the only poster who misspelled her name. And that's because, like the reporters Stix criticized, you have no idea who the hell Rita Hayworth is! Talk about ignorant!
Let me guess -- you're used to being able to race-bait people under conditions more to your liking, where someone you attack can only defend himself at the price of getting flunked in a class, thrown out of school, or fired from his job.
I hope you hang around FR a while, so you can get your bigoted brains beat in, on a regfular basis, before you slink on back to DU, with your tail between your legs, and claim to your comrades that you showed up those "evil FReepers"!
He used longtime American usage.
As I noted in my Post 114, the use of the term "Hispanic" in it's current P.C. context is very recent. In 1973, Webster's Dictionary defined it in it's proper form.
The use of the P.C. codeword "Hispanic" to mean "non-white Mexican" is as recent as the use of the P.C. codeword "immigrant" to mean "illegal alien" and the use of the P.C. codeword "choice" to mean third trimester abortion.
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