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Does Carbon Dioxide Really Affect Temperatures?
American Outlook ^ | October 9, 2003 | by Dennis T. Avery

Posted on 10/14/2003 11:28:23 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

The global warming theory says that an increase of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere will trap more of the sun’s heat and “overcook” the planet. The global climate computer models are programmed to assess how much overcooking we’ll suffer.

But, in the past, have changes in CO2 levels raised—or lowered—real-world temperatures? Recently, both the earth’s temperatures and the CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been rising. But the temperature increase could be just the earth’s recovery from the Little Ice Age, which lasted until about 1850. (Most of the recent warming occurred between 1880 and 1940)

The fact that humanity’s industrial CO2 emissions are rising strongly during the recovery from the Little Ice Age could be just happenstance. Linking cause (a CO2 increase) with effect (higher temperatures) calls for more than a coincidence of timing.

The world has had lots of warmings and coolings through its history, including massive Ice Ages. What can science tell us about the relationship of CO2 and temperature?

A team of ice-core researchers, led by Hubertus Fischer of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in California, analyzed an Antarctic ice core that gives real-world records of atmospheric CO2 and air temperatures back to 240,000 years ago. The ice core record includes three massive Ice Ages, and the warming periods that followed them.

When the Ice Ages ended, the Scripps researchers found that air temperatures warmed long before there was any increase in atmospheric CO2. In fact, they said, the increases in CO2 lagged the warming by 400 to 1,000 years! That’s just the opposite of the greenhouse theory that CO2 increases lead to warming. (The Fischer team’s analysis was published in the March 12, 1999 issue of Science.)

Eric Steig of the Earth and Environmental Science Department at the University of Pennsylvania argues that CO2 rises during cold periods because they are drier. (Less moisture is evaporated into the air from the oceans, and thus there is less moisture to fall as rain or snow). The drier climate supports less plant life, and carbon is eventually released into the atmosphere from dying trees and then from the soil itself.

In addition, the Fischer team found a 15,000 year period following the second Ice Age when the air’s CO2 content stayed constant while the air temperatures dropped back to near-glacial levels. That doesn’t follow the greenhouse theory either.

Recently, another Scripps team, led by French expert Dr. Nicholas Caillon, also tested Antarctic ice cores, but used a more-accurate argon proxy to measure the CO2 lag more precisely. The Caillon team says their work confirms the Fischer findings (that CO2 increases lagged behind the Antarctic warming) but say argon gives them a more precise estimate of the lag—800 to 200 years.

“This confirms that CO2 is not the forcing that initially drives the climatic system during a deglaciation,” they wrote in Science, March 14, 2003

So real-world Antarctic history shows several cases of CO2 lagging behind, not leading, when the earth warms. It shows another case of CO2 holding constant when the earth is getting cooler. These events do not conform to the greenhouse theory.

The greenhouse theory and all that expensive computer modeling depend on a strong correlation between CO2 and temperature. If CO2 lags warming, or is independent of it, then the computer models are useless.

There is no question that the earth is getting warmer, but a recent study of iceberg debris on the floor of the North Atlantic shows this happens naturally every 1500 years or so, in a cycle that coincides with a known cycle in the magnetic activity of the sun. (That study was led by Dr. Gerard Bond, of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, NY, and published in Science on Nov. 16, 2001.)

If the warming is natural, we won’t be able to stop it no matter how heavily we tax energy, nor how many lives we sacrifice to (1) heat stroke (no summer air conditioning), (2) cold stress due to the high cost of furnace fuel, and (3) food shortages (restricting natural gas for fertilizer production). Nor how many lives we sacrifice to continuing poverty in a Third World that won’t be able to afford any energy except wood from its shrinking forests. The economic shocks of the Kyoto Protocol would be felt most severely by the very young, the very old, the very poor—and the forest wildlife.

Do we owe them something more than a titillating theory that isn’t borne out by the real history of the real world?


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2; environment; globalwarming; globalwhinning
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I've seen the demoonstration where an IR beam gets absorbed by a gas chamber filled with CO2. That's the only link in the entire Greenhouse Hypothesis that I've ever seen demonstrated to be an actual effect.
1 posted on 10/14/2003 11:28:23 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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3 posted on 10/14/2003 11:39:38 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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The scientific community is turning red in the face from the realization that most long term global temperature cycles are really caused by sunspots.


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4 posted on 10/14/2003 11:43:44 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: .cnI redruM; risk; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

Special ping to Risk.

5 posted on 10/14/2003 11:46:15 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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I just finished this good article.
Are You back posting to FR?
6 posted on 10/14/2003 11:48:37 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: .cnI redruM
Don't tell cogitator about this.
7 posted on 10/14/2003 11:49:05 AM PDT by saminfl
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Maybe. I'm still angry. I hate the way people complain and the complaints are just dismissed instead of investigated.
8 posted on 10/14/2003 11:50:45 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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Hey, Farmfriend. Great to hear from you again. Thanks for the bump and the article.
9 posted on 10/14/2003 11:52:44 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: .cnI redruM
Darn ice-core researchers, don't they know that drilling in the fragile ice ecosystem causes global warming.
10 posted on 10/14/2003 11:55:11 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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I think it is going to be interesting to see what kind of response I get from being gone so long. Thanks for all the bumps you have given me.
11 posted on 10/14/2003 11:56:05 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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I don't know how it effects temperatures, but it's sure bound to cause some global whinning over at the IPCC.
12 posted on 10/14/2003 12:00:18 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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I replied on this topic several months ago. I wrote the following:

The author has an interesting thesis. I have written in the past a similar argument with respect to CO2 having an absorbing function for incoming radiation (sun light) but not a radiation blocking function at night because it absorbs and emits preferentially at 4.26um where the earths radiates back to space (cools)preferentially in the range of 8.0 - 12.0um due to the Black Body curve and laws according to Planck. Therefore, CO2 in this simple example would not have a definitive effect. Think of this, because there is strong 4.26um radiation from the sun, CO2 gets hot and the heat is radiated and conducted to all gasses and to the surface. At night the radiating temperature is now 300K degrees and the peak Black Body emission wavelength for that temperature is right at 10.0um. 10.0um light (radiation) goes right through a 4.26um absorber (CO2) but because water has such a broad absorption-emission band then water interferes with the radiation back to space (like on a cloudy night). Other strong green house gasses include methane (natural gas) and would behave similarly. It can't be this simple.

You are correct in that IR is absorbed by CO2 but only in very narrow bands (wavelengths) as I stated. What would be a worst catastrophy for the Earth than excess CO2 is if the frozen methane on the ocean floor becomes free to surface. Methane is even a better green house gas and exhibits this property at more wavelengths.
13 posted on 10/14/2003 12:01:05 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: .cnI redruM
Excellent. Another environmentalist myth detonator to share with a friend who is, sadly, a hezbollah environmentalist. Should be fun to watch the steam come out of his ears on this!
14 posted on 10/14/2003 12:01:54 PM PDT by borkrules
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To: .cnI redruM
If the warming is natural, we won’t be able to stop it no matter how heavily we tax energy, nor how many lives we sacrifice to..

Considering that Humans from all sources contribute less than 1% to the yearly CO2 production. Cutting all human produced CO2 (including raspiration) would not be significant.

15 posted on 10/14/2003 12:03:11 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (No Taxation Without Respiration - Repeal Death Taxes!)
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science ping
16 posted on 10/14/2003 12:16:02 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Final Authority
What would be a worst catastrophy for the Earth than excess CO2 is if the frozen methane on the ocean floor becomes free to surface. Methane is even a better green house gas and exhibits this property at more wavelengths.

You will note that the Packard Foundation has given over a hundred million to Stanford to research the mining of methane hydrides. My understanding is that if these structures are disturbed they can release to the surface bubbling methane into the atmosphere. Is it thus plausible that recovering this type of "green energy," looking to reduce the background release of methane in order to sell natural gas and obtain a return on the carbon credits scam, might instead do precisely what you fear? How would the efficacy of such a process be against background levels be verified when the only owners of that data are involved in the mining?

17 posted on 10/14/2003 12:19:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (California: Where government is pornography every day!)
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To: .cnI redruM
SPOTREP - GLOBAL WARMING CORRECTION
18 posted on 10/14/2003 12:42:07 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: .cnI redruM
The world has had lots of warmings and coolings through its history

That is the only fact that we should all be able to agree on. At any given time the earth is either warming or cooling.

To conclude that man is the cause of the warming or cooling based on what is presently known is folly. However, there are agendas afoot that must be served and there are always a plentiful supply of fools to support most any agenda one would like to promote.

19 posted on 10/14/2003 1:08:32 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: borkrules
Excellent. Another environmentalist myth detonator

Plenty more where that came from:

Access to Energy

20 posted on 10/14/2003 2:54:16 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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