The second American civil war: what it's about

townhall.com | 10/14/03 | Dennis Prager

[Eastbound]

I remember posting on that thread. What a kick to see the alumni all in once place again. I'd pop a top if I had one. Cheers, anyway. I think we're going to make it through another Christmas.

[ladyinred]

The level of hatred seems to keep raising, that is for sure. I am afraid that what we saw during the recent recall in California is only the tip of the iceberg.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

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[ForGod'sSake]

(Sheeple + LEOs and FLEAs)

You've probably sat around with some of yer local LEOs and gotten some idea where they stand haven't you? They've also got families to protect during any uprising. Where will their priorities be? On the homefront I would hope, with the rest of us. The FLEAs may be another matter altogether, but I've got a feeling that in the lower and middle levels of the bureaucracy, they would have similar concerns as LEOs. Pure speculation in any case.

FGS

[Squantos]

At least three......

[squidly]

Funny to see this posted just a couple of days after I discovered what I have linked here. Maybe some of you have seen it before. The "John Titor" Story

johntitor.com was the link I wanted to provide, but it's on the fritz at the moment.

[SAJ]

Well, y'know how it is. One must write about those subjects one ''knows'' about. A niche book, to be sure.

Thanks, btw, for mentioning Travis' title -- I'll have a look at it, you may be certain.

Btw, trading profitably, whether options or stocks or futures, or ftm, 19th century bowling balls, is at bottom only a matter of understanding the game (whichever game doesn't matter), and being disciplined in the trade(s) one selects.

Again, best wishes to you, and FReegards!

[Euro-American Scum]

America is far more sensible, and resilient, than he posits, and far less interested in meaningless cultural wars at its critical mass, than he wants or will believe, becuase it does not suit his purposes.

And those purposes would be what, exactly? I listen to Dennis Prager every morning. And there are times when I agree with him, and there are times when I don't know where he is coming from. So, what do you see in him that I don't?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Excellent point....

[Criminal Number 18F]

I see it as more... maybe not urban/rural, but there's a correlation there. Citified people are more likely to want Nanny State to take care of them. Where are the liberals who are in the south... ? Exactly!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Travis McGee]

Our scary military is not as useful against fighters who wear business suits and coveralls etc.

One shot and adios is hard to deter or defeat, in a nation with 15 million deer rifles.

[Travis McGee]

Have you read my book? I go deeply into the themes of civilian, veteran, LEO and FLEA loyalty under the ultimate stress test.

[Travis McGee]

Yep, you can't keep a good post down.

[Travis McGee]

I agree: city vs rural. So it will be a blend of demography and geography. Coasts will tend 'rat, as will all urban areas over 500,000 pop.

Where the cities are bunched up, they will dominate the rural landscapes between. Where one city is isolated amidst a vast rural area, the rural will tend to keep it on the right path.

I see any CW2 as beginning in a dirty war, (see my book), and gradually taking on aspects of the Spanish Civil War of the 1930s, and aspects of the Balkans in the 1990s.

[Criminal Number 18F]

I know the man that penned that, well. During its first few years, The Resister was a constitutionalist, pretty righteous publication -- and it drove the brass nuts. Especially a couple of sergeants major -- Bone and Rambo (no, this Rambo was not that Rambo... he was a loser who came over from the Rangers, rather than a fictional character that gave rise to a million wannabees...).

Rambo thought he knew who it was, but never could pin the guy down, and the frustration probably took years off his life -- to the joy of everyone who had to serve with him.

Unfortunately, the author of this piece later turned in a direction that I found distasteful. He had always been a foe of political correctness; but after he retired he began including overtly racist content in The Resister. I asked him about it, and he told me, "that was my position all along, but I couldn't come out with that right away... you have to gradually bring people along."

I do believe that there are race-related problems, and that the PC culture makes it very difficult to discuss them. However, I don't see eliminating or exporting one of the races as much of a solution.

While the piece you reproduce here does indeed sound appealing, it no longer represents the opinion of the author -- if it did at the time. Then again, since 9/11 he has returned to work, training new SF soldiers. Perhaps he has changed his tune. (Then again, perhaps he continues to burrow underground as he suggests in his article -- but the problem with that is that the community is small and he is widely known therein),

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[ForGod'sSake]

Have you read my book?

Not yet, but I plan to order it and Jeff's third one this week. Could you, in 25 words or less, gimme your gut feel for how you see the military's role in any such scenario?

FGS

[Joe Hadenuf]

Ever read vampire killer 2000?

[Travis McGee]

They would need to create new all volunteer "special anti-terrorist units" consisting of morons and lunatics who don't give a rats about the Constitution or BOR.

[Travis McGee]

No, gotta link? Or a synopsis?

[Travis McGee]

Your post squares with what I heard on the grapevine, and fills in some gaps. I don't think there will or can ever be any kind of a military organization, no matter how loosely based, that cannot be penetrated by the feds. Maybe I'm wrong.

I just think it's more likely that at a certain point a tipping point could be reached where lots of individuals would begin to take direct action. One way might look like my book. Word spreads, others "get the idea" and dust off the .270.

Another scenario: cities become "welfare magnets" on an even more blatent scale. Guaranteed votes for food and fun. Rural areas are left to decay, ignored or worse while the fedgov pumps resources into the cities.

Farmer Brown gets tired of seeing the free food giveaways for votes in the nearby city, while he's going broke. So he shoots some power line insulators, figuring the folks in the city should be as miserable as him. The story spreads, and soon, insulator plinking becomes a national hobby for disaffected farmers.

That type of scenario could happen, as rural and urban begin a new kind of CW. And all "leaderless" with no organization, no phone tree, no "cells". Just individuals watching the news and saying, "hey, I could do that to, easy, in my state."