Posted on 09/11/2020 10:07:08 AM PDT by Zenyatta
My statement or hers?
It’s really a shame what low IQs try and fail to do.
It’s also really a shame that the media’s collective IQ is even lower.
Oh well, at least they can be a breeding ground for future democrat politicians.
Everyone knows they didn’t believe in democracy. It is why we have a Republic and a Constitution that protect individual rights. Our Founders did not want the tyranny of the majority.
Yes, and thank you ‘founder’ for your efforts to rewrite history via historical revisionism too......NOT.
Hers!! “Founding Fathers did not believe in democracy”
What a thing to say about the Founding Fathers? Seriously?
Think of all the colonists who fought and lost so much (some lost everything) to win that war.
The Democratic Party is simply living up to its name these days and must be destroyed to save the Republic.
When you have a poor self-image nothing looks exceptional.
I don’t believe in democracy either. Personally I think only property owners should have the right to vote.
The Left has convinced tens of millions of fools that its bad to think America is, or ever was, exceptional because America has done some bad things. But exceptional has never meant perfect and even saying this is/was the greatest country on Earth doesnt mean one is dismissing the contributions of other countries or people. The reality is that we live in a world full of sin and pretty bad things and the seemingly never ending desire to control the masses and a country based on liberty and freedom is a pretty special thing.
What a preposterous title. Still lofty and admirable (/S) although subservient as VP to the higher up president for Equity.... etc.
Like relatives of bosses having useless non-work jobs with high sounding titles to get money from the company till. With lavish expense accounts and luxury cars.
Remember the urban mayors used to get paid to attend conferences on problems of urban areas, held in places like luxury resorts in the Caribbean?
And later one (not the urban problems conference):
Honolulu Mainland Mayors Face Backlash For Business Trip To Honolulu By Christina Jedra / June 27, 2019 As leaders from across the country land in Honolulu for the U.S. Conference of Mayors this week, some are getting flack from their constituents back home for visiting the island destination. New Jersey officials were slammed by NJ.com for going on what it described as a vacation. Yes, for the mere price of absolutely free, thanks to you, the editorial board wrote to New Jersey taxpayers, they could get stunning views of the Pacific Ocean and Honolulu coastline, soak in the sun on a balcony overlooking the beach, sample five outdoor swimming pools, lei-making, hula and ukulele classes.
Hunter Biden using all his nonexistent knowledge of natural gas and organization management or Chelsea Clinton using her executive savvy to get the most for underprivileged children from the millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation. Impressive.
Democracy = Mob Rule
The Lunatic Left LOVES that
Pulitzer-winning New York Times journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones
More liberals giving other liberals prestigious-sounding awards to burnish their credentials. It’s a huge circle-jerk. You give me an ‘award’ and I give you an ‘award’. One hand does the other and we both get ahead!
If you want to have handy for constitutionally-illiterate Progressives who may call this a "democracy," then you want to read that Address.
Today, in 2020, when confronted with a decision between individual freedom and slavery, otherwise known as liberty and tyranny, Americans who prefer freedom must be armed with ideas and principles which are "self-evident" and plain. Otherwise, they cannot fend off the onslaught of the "counterfeit ideas" of Progressive ideologues.
When America's Founders and Framers of their Constitution wanted to convince ordinary farmers and citizens of the merits of a written "People's" Constitution to limit the powers of those to whom they entrust the powers of government, they published and circulated 85 essays, known as THE FEDERALIST.
It's time for citizens, once again, to examine those strong and clear words of Madison Hamilton, and Jay. They are just as clear for today's audience as they were then. Circulate the following excerpts to your friends. Even the least politically savvy will "get" Madison's meaning, especially in light of the power grab now going on in Washington. After all, THE FEDERALIST was the Framers' authoritative explanation of their Constitution, and directed by the Board of Visitors of the University of Virginia in 1825 to be used as the text for its law school in its studies of "the general principles of liberty and the rights of man," and said by Jefferson to "constitute 'the general opinion of those who framed, and of those who accepted the Constitution of the U.S., on questions as to its genuine meaning.'":
"The house of representatives... can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as the great mass of society. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interest, and sympathy of sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples; but without which every government degenerates into tyranny." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788
"The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788
"Such will be the relation between the House of Representatives and their constituents. Duty gratitude, interest, ambition itself, are the cords by which they will be bound to fidelity and sympathy with the great mass of the people." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788
"If it be asked what is to restrain the House of Representatives from making legal discriminations in favor of themselves and a particular class of the society? I answer, the genius of the whole system, the nature of just and constitutional laws, and above all the vigilant and manly spirit which actuates the people of America, a spirit which nourishes freedom, and in return is nourished by it." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788
"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others." - Federalist Papers, No. 58, 1788
"This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure." - Federalist Papers, No. 58, 1788
"The propensity of all single and numerous assemblies (is) to yield to the impulse of sudden and violent passions, and to be seduced by factious leaders into intemperate and pernicious resolutions." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788
"Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue; or in any manner affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change and can trace its consequences; a harvest reared not by themselves but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the few not for the many." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788
"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what it will be tomorrow." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788
Note particularly the following words of wisdom from Federalist No. 63, and take heart. You are doing what you were meant to do when you speak out on intrusions on your liberty. According to Madison:
"As the cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers; so there are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind?" - Federalist Papers, No. 63, 1788
Of course the Founders didn’t believe in democracy. And thank goodness for that!
I do not agree that voting should still remain a sole right of landowners. Times evolve and a reality is that many solid citizens are renters by choice or necessity. Myself as an example, I am retired and purposely sold the home and do not plan on ownership again other than transportation means and personal possessions. Dont want the responsibility of being tied down. My choice. I do agree with this in the sense that anyone on the dole should forfeit the right to vote. I do not regard social security/Medicare to be within the the definition of being on the dole. I paid dearly into this crappy investment for 50+ years and plan on living to 100+ to get every last nickel back that I can. I started paying into it when I was 12yo as a paperboy and payed into it every year through 67yo. I will be surprised if I pay anymore into the feds for this even though Headhunters still contact me to get back into the game.
Totally true. They believed democracy would always end in mob rule and they did not believe that was either a stable or beneficial form of government.
They believed that a limited republic form of government was the least likely to cause damage to the citizens of the nation.
America is 'not an exceptional nation'
Yes, it is.
Just the fact that it was founded on the ideals that the government was not the be all and end all is exceptional.
They tried to do that but Franklin among others argued with firm logic against it.
I will give you one example of why "you must own property to vote" is a bad idea. Bezos and Zuckerberg both own property, General Flynn does not. Who would you trust to vote in the best interests of the nation?
If you had to own property to vote, General Flynn probably would own property. I’ll tell you this, a LOT of D voters are renters. :)
So, should he have lost his right to vote because of the corruption of the FBI? In what way is that just?
Ill tell you this, a LOT of D voters are renters. :)
I will tell you that, so are a lot of R voters.
If you have a job that requires you to pack up and move on an regular basis then you rent.
Besides they had a "minimum required value of property" that you had to own before you could vote.
So if you live out where land is cheaper you would have to own a big honking bunch of land while you would only need to own a quarter of a studio apartment in NYC.
Also is that property with or without mortgage?
Hate these assholes
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