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‘We are living through an all-out assault on truth and reason,’ Hillary warns Toronto audience
The Toronto Star ^ | September 28, 2017 | Victoria Gibson

Posted on 09/29/2017 12:10:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No dear truth and reason are making a comeback.


41 posted on 09/29/2017 12:54:13 PM PDT by ex91B10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, she’s correct. Problem is, her truth and reason aren’t within the realm of reality.


42 posted on 09/29/2017 12:57:51 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Sacajaweau

And the spirit of Elanor Roosevelt.


43 posted on 09/29/2017 12:58:20 PM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Truth and reason" - What?????

Hillary speaks of "truth and reason"--concepts and qualities which seem to have escaped her attention throughout her public life.

A reading of Jefferson on the same topics provides context for examining her remarks, especially before young minds and hearts.

Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government


11. Governed by Reason

We who have grown up in a democracy take for granted a government of the people based on reason and the people's choice. But before our nation was founded, modern governments were based on authoritarian domination. The people in general were considered little more than cattle, to be governed and controlled by those possessing wealth, education and power, and kept under subjection lest they undermine the stability of the government. The Founding Fathers introduced the revolutionary idea that government could rest on the reasoned choice of the people themselves, which was thought absurd in other lands at that time. - http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff0700.htm


"My hope [is] that we have not labored in vain, and that our experiment will still prove that men can be governed by reason." --Thomas Jefferson to George Mason, 1791. ME 8:124

"I have so much confidence in the good sense of man, and his qualifications for self-government, that I am never afraid of the issue where reason is left free to exert her force." --Thomas Jefferson to Comte Diodati, 1789.

"I am satisfied the good sense of the people is the strongest army our government can ever have, and that it will not fail them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1786. ME 6:31

"Let common sense and common honesty have fair play, and they will soon set things to rights." --Thomas Jefferson to Ezra Stiles, 1786. ME 6:25

"It is comfortable to see the standard of reason at length erected, after so many ages, during which the human mind has been held in vassalage by kings, priests, and nobles; and it is honorable for us to have produced the first legislature who had the courage to declare that the reason of man may be trusted with the formation of his own opinions." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1786. ME 6:10

"[Our] principles [are] founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason." --Thomas Jefferson to James Sullivan, 1797. ME 9:379

"We believed that men, enjoying in ease and security the full fruits of their own industry, enlisted by all their interests on the side of law and order, habituated to think for themselves and to follow their reason as their guide, would be more easily and safely governed than with minds nourished in error and vitiated and debased... by ignorance, indigence and oppression." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:441

"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820. ME 15:284

"The idea of establishing a government by reasoning and agreement, [the monarchists] publicly ridiculed as an Utopian project, visionary and unexampled." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1797. ME 1:419

"It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they are rational beings or not." --Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814. ME 14:127

"Our people in a body are wise because they are under the unrestrained and unperverted operation of their own understandings." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 1802. ME 10:324

"This blessed country of free inquiry and belief has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, 1822. ME 15:385

11.1 Reason and Truth

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804. ME 11:33

"[God has bestowed] reason... as the umpire of truth." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814. ME 14:197

"Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical." --Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Knox, 1810. ME 12:360

"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known and seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:547

11.2 Actions Based on Reason

"Everyone must act according to the dictates of his own reason." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. ME 11:429

"The opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds." --Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers 2:545

"I suppose belief to be the assent of the mind to an intelligible proposition." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:350

"Our opinions are not voluntary. Every man's own reason must be his oracle." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1813. ME 13:225

"Everyone, certainly, must form his judgment on the evidence accessible to himself." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1811. ME 13:26

"I am, myself, generally disposed to indulge and to follow reason." --Thomas Jefferson to James Martin, 1813. ME 13:383

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them, is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker, if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VI, 1782. ME 2:97

"When we see two facts accompanying one another for a long time, we are apt to suppose them related as cause and effect." --Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1815. ME 14:319

"We certainly are not to deny whatever we cannot account for. A thousand phenomena present themselves daily which we cannot explain; but where facts are suggested bearing no analogy with the laws of nature as yet known to us, their verity needs proofs proportioned to their difficulty. A cautious mind will weigh well the opposition of the phenomenon to everything hitherto observed, the strength of the testimony by which it is supported, and the errors and misconceptions to which even our senses are liable." --Thomas Jefferson to Daniel Salmon, 1808. ME 11:441

"Proof is the duty of the affirmative side. A negative cannot be positively proved." --Thomas Jefferson to Martin Van Buren, 1824. ME 16:55

"The proof of a negative can only be presumptive." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1819. ME 15:206

"What has no meaning admits no explanation." --Thomas Jefferson to Alexander Smyth, 1825. ME 16:101

"By analyzing too minutely we often reduce our subject to atoms, of which the mind loses its hold." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Everett, 1823. ME 15:414

11.3 Fearlessly Follow Reason and Truth

"Shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787. ME 6:258 Papers 12:15

"I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:85

"It is surely time for men to think for themselves, and to throw off the authority of names so artificially magnified." --Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1820. ME 15:258

"If [my] opinions are sound, they will occur to others, and will prevail by their own weight, without the aid of names." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:70

"It is not the name, but the thing which is essential." --Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on the Tonnage Payable, 1791. ME 3:292

"Lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything because any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787. ME 6:261

"In a republican nation whose citizens are to be led by reason and persuasion and not by force, the art of reasoning becomes of first importance." --Thomas Jefferson to David Harding, 1824. ME 16:30

"Nothing is so desirable to me as that after mankind shall have been abused by such gross falsehoods as to events while passing, their minds should at length be set to rights by genuine truth. And I can conscientiously declare that as to myself, I wish that not only no act but no thought of mine should be unknown." --Thomas Jefferson to James Main, 1808. ME 12:175

"There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1826. ME 16:179

"There is not a truth on earth which I fear or would disguise. But secret slanders cannot be disarmed, because they are secret." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1806. ME 11:94-


44 posted on 09/29/2017 1:03:04 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With all the media appearances and public appearances it’s very obvious that she is gearing up for another run for the White House. She will not be denied her place in history!


45 posted on 09/29/2017 1:03:07 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Former U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton took to a Toronto stage

Stay in Canada, it's your kind of place.

46 posted on 09/29/2017 1:04:25 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
‘We are living through an all-out assault on truth and reason,’...

Every time Hillary Clinton speaks!

47 posted on 09/29/2017 1:09:20 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: bonehead4freedom

I agree. The woman is desperate to be president. If she had campaigned with the same vigor she seems o have for her book tour she might have won.


48 posted on 09/29/2017 1:19:08 PM PDT by surrey
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To: surrey

She is a loon. If she had displayed this crazy a year ago, she would have lost even bigger.


49 posted on 09/29/2017 1:20:50 PM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Thank you for calling that vile female humanoid a “WItch.” Calling her a female dog would have insulted all dogs, far more noble, compassionate beings than the Witch could ever be.


50 posted on 09/29/2017 1:22:08 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For once she is right.

“Perversion is normal.”
“People are all animals.”
“Only liberals are good people.”
“All whites are racists.”
“The individual is nothing. The group is everything.”
“Govt is what makes your life better.”
“You don’t know your own best interests, we must tell you.”
“Hate speech is violence.”
“Nazis believe in small govt.”
“Killing the unborn is a good thing to do. Selling the body parts is better.”
“Global warming causes cold weather.”

Etc etc etc.

All evil.


51 posted on 09/29/2017 1:23:13 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

That’s why I refer to that thing as a “female humanoid.” Of course, the clinically accurate term is “WItch.” After all, a witch is a pure evil female humanoid that’s sold its soul to Satan for unnatural powers, something that perfectly describes Hillary.


52 posted on 09/29/2017 1:28:26 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“We are living through an all-out assault on truth and reason,’ Hillary warns Toronto audience.”


Same old scenario. The Socialist Left accusing conservatives of what they are in fact doing. The assault on truth and reason is coming from the Left, and has in fact been standard operational procedure since the 50’s, if not the 40’s.


53 posted on 09/29/2017 1:36:45 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Yulee

When will this hag loser stfu? When?


54 posted on 09/29/2017 1:44:47 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: madison10
She is a major destroyer of both. ("Truth and reason.")

I and my wife are living through an assault on our reason. Out of curiosity, I bought Hil's book "What Happened." Let me tell you guys, every time I read more than a few pages, it is "Hard Choices."

It is self-serving, shallow, gossipy, and worst of all, gushy in an unstable immature young womanish sort of way.

Now, part of this might be attributed to the fact that, as always, she employed a ghost writer. But, as one of my boys remarked, "We know she didn't write it. The question is, 'Did she even read it?'" It is that bad. And, yet, there are some Hillary loyalists who will like it. I may write a longer review on the book. Taking one for the team, so to speak, so you don't have to.

We dodged a large-caliber bullet when Trump won the election.

55 posted on 09/29/2017 1:45:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: hal ogen

Shortly after her death, I’m guessing.


56 posted on 09/29/2017 1:46:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
‘We are living through an all-out assault on truth and reason,’ Hillary warns Toronto audience

Yes, your life has been a litany of that.

57 posted on 09/29/2017 1:49:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>>“There were times when I just wanted to pull the covers over my head,” Clinton said of her failed campaign.<<<

There are times I wish I could zip up the Extra Large Body Bag over your head Hillary.


58 posted on 09/29/2017 1:52:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
‘We are living through an all-out assault on truth and reason,’ Hillary warns

Says the world champion of projection.

59 posted on 09/29/2017 2:10:51 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh Mrs. Clinton we have a new outfit for you.


60 posted on 09/29/2017 2:11:44 PM PDT by McGruff (Lock Her Up! In a Padded Cell!)
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