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Dem Senate operative: The big Supreme Court fight will be over the next nominee, not Gorsuch (Cruz?)
Hot Air ^ | February 3, 2017 | Allahpundit

Posted on 02/03/2017 7:40:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A quote that caught my eye from RCP’s analysis of the inevitable confirmation of Neil Gorsuch.

The potential political downside could be much greater for the Democratic Party with Gorsuch than it ultimately was for the GOP with Garland — leaving reason to doubt that Democrats would fully obstruct the nominee rather than seek a more favorable fight elsewhere.

“I think it’s likely he’ll be confirmed,” said one Democratic Senate campaign operative, “and there will be a larger fight on the next one.”

His credentials are impeccable and his character, by seemingly all accounts, is perfectly suited to the job. He’s Scalia without the fondness for throwing elbows. “I have seen him up close and in action, both in court and on the Federal Appellate Rules Committee (where both of us serve),” wrote one legal luminary in the Times this week. “[H]e brings a sense of fairness and decency to the job, and a temperament that suits the nation’s highest court.” Which conservative penned those glowing words? It was … Neal Katyal, former solicitor general for the Obama administration. If Obam-ites are ready to high-five Trump over this guy, there’s no earthly way red-state Democrats are going to sell the public on the idea that he’s some threat to the nation who must be blocked at all costs. The best they can do is concede that Gorsuch belongs on the Court before quickly adding that Merrick Garland does too, and therefore they feel compelled to block anyone Trump nominates unless it’s Garland. “I understand,” Mitch McConnell will say solemnly, before pressing the nuclear button, and the entire caucus will back him. Result: Gorsuch is on the Court, the filibuster is gone, and Trump now has a very wide berth in filling his second vacancy.

Or does he? Jim Newell makes a good point about the fight to come over the next nomination. Sure, Gorsuch might be allowed through because he’s preternaturally qualified and hard to dislike, but what about, say … Ted Cruz as nominee? Is it really the case that every Republican in the Senate is prepared to nuke the filibuster for anyone Trump nominates?

Don’t be 100 percent certain that the Supreme Court filibuster is already effectively dead and just waiting for someone to kill it. Sure, if Democrats “played nice” with Gorsuch—which doesn’t mean they’d take him out to the strip club to celebrate the dawn of his 40-year reign, just that they’d eventually supply the eight votes he’d need to break a filibuster—Republicans could still nuke it the next time to make way for Justice Cruz. The appetite for such an aggressive power play isn’t consistent throughout the Republican caucus, though.

If Trump were to nominate a Justice Cruz, or whoever else might seriously shift the balance of the court the next time, Democratic deployment of the filibuster would be more widely perceived as reasonable: an extraordinary response to an extraordinary action. That would increase the cost of nuking it. As we’ve seen this week, Republican senators such as Lisa Murkowski or Susan Collins are responsive to this cost if vocal constituents lay it squarely before them. All Democratic tactics over the next four years should be about creating political space for the likes of Murkowski, Collins, and other swayables to commit the occasional partisan apostasy. Targeted obstruction does this. Blanket obstruction does not.

He’s referring, of course, to Collins and Murkowski getting cold feet over Betsy DeVos, leaving her confirmation as Education secretary hanging by a thread. Try to obstruct a nominee as unobjectionable as Gorsuch and Collins and Murkowski will feel they have little choice but to fall in line behind McConnell in blowing up the filibuster. After all, whoever replaces him as nominee if he’s filibustered won’t be any better and might be considerably worse. If the nominee is someone like Cruz, though, who’s qualified for the Court but has enemies in the Senate and plenty of right-wing critics after his “vote your conscience” shtick at the convention last year, Collins and Murkowski could walk away from McConnell on the vote to get rid of the filibuster, potentially tanking the nomination.

The interesting question is what would happen if Republicans blow up the filibuster now and then Trump nominates someone “controversial” like Cruz for the next vacancy, with only 51 votes needed to confirm. Collins and Murkowski could walk under those circumstances too, but I think it’d be much harder for them to betray the party on a vote to confirm the nominee than it would to betray the party on a vote to get rid of the filibuster. There are all sorts of principled arguments you can make for the latter — it’s a glorious Senate tradition, we shouldn’t lightly discard the minority’s power to obstruct, yadda yadda. There’s really no principled argument you can make for voting no on the nominee himself. The argument would be “I don’t like Cruz even though he’s very smart, he’s Trump’s choice, and he would be a very dependable conservative vote on the bench.” That’s harder to explain to Republican voters. Newell’s whole point is that Democrats should try to preserve the filibuster as long as they can precisely so that Collins and Murkowski have that “principled” cover available to them to help defeat a truly controversial nominee later. Gorsuch just isn’t controversial in any meaningful way.

There’s a wrinkle in Newell’s argument too, though. What if … Trump ends up nominating someone who’s uncontroversial for the second vacancy too? Read Fred Barnes’s account of how Gorsuch was chosen and you’ll see that Tom Hardiman had a strong advocate in Rick Santorum and was seen within the administration as facing little difficulty in getting confirmed. If there’s another vacancy soon (Barnes claims to have heard rumors that Kennedy might retire this summer), Trump might turn around and nominate Hardiman — and then Democrats will need to find a way to explain to their base, which is spoiling for a fight with Trump, that they’re going to have to let that guy through too. That won’t go down well. They might be forced to filibuster just to show some fighting spirit and then suddenly they’ll be back to square one of Newell’s argument, practicing “blanket obstruction” against a nominee who doesn’t warrant that level of opposition. McConnell will duly nuke the filibuster and that’ll be that.

But that’s getting ahead of ourselves. Newell’s obviously correct that the smart move for Dems is to keep their powder dry, grudgingly let Gorsuch through, and then hope Trump nominates someone more easily demagogue-able next time so that they can knife that person for the gratification of their base. In lieu of an exit question, enjoy this piece from Ben Shapiro on the Gorsuch nomination, responding to Trumpers on behalf of #NeverTrump conservatives everywhere: You’re welcome.

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: cruz; gorsuch; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Jane Long

It’s long past time to ban those who are still pushing twee Teddy! ;^)


21 posted on 02/03/2017 8:36:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Windflier

Yes, I agree. The long haul is what is going to matter.

However, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

He stood up, so I am going to give him lots of credit until such time he gives me reason not to, which I hope he does not.

Cruz did a good thing here, and I hope other Republicans follow his example.


22 posted on 02/03/2017 8:39:30 PM PST by chris37 (Glory, glory, hallelujah!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt there will be a big fight over the next nominee for the Supreme Court because that vacancy will not occur during this Congress. It will occur after the beginning of the next Congress after the Democrats have lost at least nine seats in the Senate. They will not be able to filibuster nor will they be able to block the next two vacancies which will occur in rapid succession in early 2019 when the Notorious RBG and Steven Breyer both pass from the scene.


23 posted on 02/03/2017 8:53:33 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Windflier

Things are about to get really, really hot, and it would help if we weren’t having to kick each other out of our foxholes over Ted Cruz.

That’s a vanity/pride that there’s no time or energy for, once Sessions is confirmed and hundreds of Leftists start going to jail.


24 posted on 02/03/2017 8:54:42 PM PST by txhurl (The LEFT are screaming at the Tsunami, and the Sky, trying to set fire to the Ocean- S.Tom)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Republican senators such as Lisa Murkowski or Susan Collins are responsive to this cost if vocal constituents lay it squarely before them.”

LOL. He meant “if their masters in the Teachers Union pull their strings.”


25 posted on 02/03/2017 9:01:07 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I predict there will be two more vacancies this year alone.


26 posted on 02/03/2017 9:01:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ted has said he doesn’t want it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-05-13/cruz-says-he-doesn-t-desire-supreme-court-seat-abc-news

He is too valuable in the Senate. As someone suggested, he ought to be in Ditch’s spot.

President Trump has a list of 21. Most of them are good choices. He doesn’t need to go off the list.

If Ted were appointed to the Supreme Court, the senator you’d get to replace him wouldn’t be as good.


27 posted on 02/03/2017 9:33:20 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Governor Abbott of Texas is Ted’s mentor, so I’m pretty sure he’d appoint a really good replacement.


28 posted on 02/03/2017 9:34:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is available who could be as much of a bulldog as Ted Cruz?


29 posted on 02/03/2017 9:35:38 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is available who could be as much of a bulldog as Ted Cruz?


30 posted on 02/03/2017 9:35:41 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

There are nearly 30 million people in Texas. Surely Abbott could find somebody in a state that vast.


31 posted on 02/03/2017 9:37:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

23 Dems, 2 indies and 8 Republican seats are up in 2018.

The math is improbable, as in: not even possible for Dems to make a gain.

At least 10 of those seats a very much in jeopardy.

You are going to lose bigly and then the census favors the Republicans in 2020.

Trump for 8 years and with a Republican majority.

If you force the nuclear option just once, that becomes the standard for the next 8 years.

We will get 4 more bites of the apple on SCOTUS, ensuring wins on almost any issue for the next 16 years of elections and 100 years in the courts.

Dems need to tread carefully here, otherwise riots will ensue. /S

Moses can not lead you out of the desert.


32 posted on 02/03/2017 11:29:59 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Jane Long; Ray76; nopardons; Admin Moderator; 2ndDivisionVet

Uhn huh.

So, Cruz would not be an amazing SCOTUS?(yer personal feeeeeeelings aside?)

The OP put (Cruz) brackets to signify his opinion, not the content.

We all do it.

Well, except for you....


33 posted on 02/03/2017 11:35:30 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shuddup! /S

Well, there will be at least one but, we get two more bites of the apple in the next 4 years no matter what and if we are lucky maybe another but, we will have those four bites in the next eight....

Ignore Jane Long. Burr under saddle.


34 posted on 02/03/2017 11:38:13 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Vendome
I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, as far as being a "good" Justice! He has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he wouldn't be one. And besides which, his name appears NOWHERE on President Trump's list of those names, from which he will pick justices.

It's over, President Trump is the president, Cruz didn't help matters at the Convention, he was also more than willing to hide his dual citizenship, and also by entering the primary race, to wipe his arse on the Constitution! So please stop pushing him. Just give it up and stop dreaming about his ascendance to a higher position.

35 posted on 02/03/2017 11:42:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Grow up.

You sound as loony as my friends on the left about something that hasn’t even come up....yet...


36 posted on 02/03/2017 11:54:01 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since the senate rules are created by the senate, this past week has shown that any of them can be changed. The filibuster or any rule is only as safe as the issue under consideration and the importance of it to those in power.


37 posted on 02/04/2017 12:01:54 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Vendome

Actually it’s in the content of the article....


38 posted on 02/04/2017 12:04:52 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This appointment won’t swing the court.. Scalia was about as conservative a jurist as you could get, appointing another conservative for his seat won’t change the balance... Whoever dies/retires next however very likely will...

Dems will put up political theater resistance, this time, but the real fight will be when a Ginsburg or Breyer or even a Kennedy, who while considered conservative has sided with the liberal wing of the court at times in the past as well.

They will go absolutely ape $hit when Trump nominates a seriously conservative, constructionalist to replace any of them

Sadly, we are stuck putting up with the wholly unqualified and activist Sotomayor, and only slightly more qualified and less activist Kagan for a long time yet.


39 posted on 02/04/2017 12:10:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Vendome
You grow up!

I'm not the one who introduced this topic and am just stating the pure, simple, unvarnished, factual truth. You can't take the truth; obviously.

40 posted on 02/04/2017 12:11:11 AM PST by nopardons
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