Posted on 03/29/2016 6:55:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
so why do we vote then?
Come on this is the establishment who thinks we are scum and they know better. Because we are not doing what they want they want to do this and give us an appearance we get a say when clearly now we don’t if we go by their crap.
IIRC some of those delegates are FReepers. Maybe ask them what they’re thinking.
At the 1860 Republican convention, William Seward had 173.5 delegates on the first ballot. Abraham Lincoln had just 102. 233 votes were required to nominate.
Try to convince me why we should get behind this Lincoln fellow. I’m writing in Seward and throwing the election to Douglass or Breckenridge.
name them and I will.
Rich frigging Lowry the pompous elitist establishment hack, god grief.
Sorry, my memory is going. But they my self-identify.
I think its pretty clear by now that the establishments main going is to deny Trump the Presidency.
Even if it means Hillary for President.
They don’t realize that this will be the end of the Republican party.
So there are 5 Rubio delegates and 5 party leaders.
Why is the guy so sure he will go 0-10 with them.
Is that realistic?
It is as if he has gone around bad mouthing Rubio for the past five months alienating all of Rubios delegates.
Or gone around bashing party leaders...
Poor little baby is tossin a Trumpertantrum.
This is what I was thinking if our vote means nothing in the primary why do they hold a vote?
Why two - Douglas and Breckenridge. There is only one Democrat party.
Oh, that’s right, sitting Vice President Breckenridge was so unhappy that he was going to loose to Douglas that he spilt the party into two.
Then he took the states that he had power in and got them all to secede,
Looks like the moron tossed the race to Lincoln.
Trump got his 12 delegates from the primary.
Cruz got his 11 delegates.
Trump got his 6 delegates from the Caucus.
Cruz got his 7 delegates from the Caucus
Rubio got his 5 delegates from the Caucus.
The standing party leadership goth their 5 seats birther of their position.
That is why we vote.
GOPe is in bed with the Democrats for a Hillary presidency.
See:
Tech billionaires (major Dem donors) plot with GOP leaders at exclusive island resort to stop Trump
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Happens to all LOL. My wife said I seem to forget what she wants doing too
Nor do they care.If they can take out Conservatives and Christians by doing that, they will do it gladly. They would much prefer a Hillary Presidency to a Conservative Presidency.
As far as Trump goes, I don't know how the Establishment are going to take him out, but I have a feeling that they are. They might George Wallace him, or they may Robert Kennedy him. Because if he does a tenth of what he says he will do, he is going to cost them a tremendous amount of money. And for someone who would sell their mother, wife, daughter, or sister to the whorehouse for a penny, for the money Trump will cost them, there is no limit to the depths they will sink.
I found this on wiki a few days ago. The third ballot showed Lincoln within three votes. Four people changed from Seward to Lincoln, and then another 50+ followed and they called it a “corrected” ballot. Not sure why they didn’t just have a fourth ballot.
Excerpt:
Lincoln was represented at the convention by his friends Leonard Swett, Ward Hill Lamon, and David Davis. During the night of May 17–18, [after the first ballot] they worked frantically to win anti-Seward delegates for Lincoln. They showed that Lincoln already had the most support after Seward, which persuaded some. They also made a deal with Simon Cameron of Pennsylvania, who recognized that he had no chance of winning the nomination himself. Cameron controlled the Pennsylvania delegation, and he offered to trade his support for the promise of a cabinet position for himself and control of Federal patronage in Pennsylvania. Lincoln did not want to make any such deal; from Springfield, he telegraphed to Davis “I authorize no bargains and will be bound by none”.[8] Despite this restriction, Davis reached an understanding with Cameron, which eventually led to Cameron’s appointment as Secretary of War.
A million Americans (the equivalent of over ten million today died during the Civil War and the casualties and broken families were many times that number.
LIncoln was a disaster for which this country is still paying a high price. Tell me about that great brokered convention and wise decisions by those who “knew” better.
“Why do they needs Voters ?”
Exactly. Why bother to vote if the delegates can do what they want.
My state (Washington) has a caucus AND a primary vote for the Republicans. At my caucus it was primarily Cruz voters, and they made up the bulk of those elected to go to the state convention.
IF I were to make it to nationals, and say that Mr. Trump won our primary, I would vote for Mr. Trump based on the primary results. (I was told we HAVE TO, but I'm not sure if that is legally binding - there have been national elections where a few delegates did not vote for who they were supposed to vote for.)
If Mr. Trump doesn't receive 50% + 1 at the national on the first ballot, then the delegates from Washington can vote for whomever. Other states have other rules.
IF it were me, I would vote for Cruz based on the information I have today. My announced support for Cruz at my district caucus does not bind me to him. I imagine that for a second ballot at the national they will be looking at the delegate totals like they did when Lincoln won. If it looks like Trump or Cruz would be the winner, many may jump on the band wagon to show that the GOP delegates are mostly in agreement rather than a split party.
Seward positions on slavery were pretty much identical to Lincoln’s, and he had a longer record of advocating them in office. He was as hated in the South as Lincoln. There would still have been secession and Civil War would still have happened if Seward was elected President.
The Civil War was a great tragedy. Slavery was a great evil, and it would have been better if the South had been willing to phase out slavery peacefully.
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