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Some posters say Trump is not a conservative!
03/17/16 | Self

Posted on 03/17/2016 5:13:41 PM PDT by entropy12

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To: SubMareener

After Donald J. Trump finishes doing all the “liberal” things he has promised: build the wall, deport illegals and Syrian invaders, cancel Obama’s unconstitutional executive orders, roll back twenty years of intrusive government regulations, prosecute Hillary and her crew, release the secret 28 pages from the 9/11 report, negotiate prescription drug purchases, repeal and replace Obamacare, simplify the Tax code, repatriate $2.5 trillion in off-shore profits, stop the IRS from abridging the free speech of Christian Churches, reform the libel laws to remove the “public figure” distinctions, defund Planned Parenthood until the stop doing abortions, cleaning up the mess that is the VA, cutting waste, fraud and abuse where ever it is found, canceling Common Core and returning control of education to the States, end the assault on the Second Amendment, audit the Federal Reserve System, investigate the harmful additives in Vaccines and the coverup of studies at the CDC, and destroy the culture of Political Correctness, then we can talk about all those “conservative” issues some people want to address.


We have no evidence he will actually do any of this. His past positions and statements and even donations tell a different story. Too many of his supporters are doing the exact same things and saying the exact same things that BHO supporters did in 2008.
A perfect example is his donations to liberal democrat’s campaigns. His supporters say that he had to do it and because he had to do it to do business, he’ll be best to correct it as he knows and understands how corrupt it is.

In 2008, I had several conversations with BHO backers who claimed because he engaged in the corrupt Chicago politics, he’ll be best to clean up DC politics as he had first hand experience on how corrupt politics can be. Well, in reality, it not only didn’t work out that way but it’s gotten worse


201 posted on 04/14/2016 10:14:16 AM PDT by LMAO (I know Hillary and I think she'd make a great president or Vice President. Don Trump 2008)
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To: LMAO
What you utterly fail to grasp, in cherry picking from past actions--taken wholly out of context, to boot--is that Trump is an instinctive Conservative, now going through a process that all Conservatives have at some time gone through.

From a sixty+ year perspective:

Trump: Metaphor For American Conservatism.

202 posted on 04/14/2016 10:20:50 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SubMareener
After Donald J. Trump finishes doing all the “liberal” things he has promised: build the wall, deport illegals and Syrian invaders, cancel Obama’s unconstitutional executive orders, roll back twenty years of intrusive government regulations, prosecute Hillary and her crew, release the secret 28 pages from the 9/11 report, negotiate prescription drug purchases, repeal and replace Obamacare, simplify the Tax code, repatriate $2.5 trillion in off-shore profits, stop the IRS from abridging the free speech of Christian Churches, reform the libel laws to remove the “public figure” distinctions, defund Planned Parenthood until the stop doing abortions, cleaning up the mess that is the VA, cutting waste, fraud and abuse where ever it is found, canceling Common Core and returning control of education to the States, end the assault on the Second Amendment, audit the Federal Reserve System, investigate the harmful additives in Vaccines and the coverup of studies at the CDC, and destroy the culture of Political Correctness, then we can talk about all those “conservative” issues some people want to address.

If he's able to do all that and in the process establish a precedent that all of that is within the power of the office of the President, where does that leave us going forward?

203 posted on 04/14/2016 10:22:04 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: entropy12
You are correct. Trump's proposals are more closely aligned with the Republican Party's platforms of the past 150 years than any other Republican candidate since 1988, at least. Therefore, Trump is more conservative than any other Republican candidate since 1988, at least.

Easy to determine from the supporters of the others. Just ask, "What exactly is [your candidate] proposing to conserve?" They will completely evade the question, because their candidate is proposing policies that are anti-American, that are detrimental to the well-being of American citizens; just like the Democrats.

204 posted on 04/14/2016 10:30:56 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: tacticalogic

If he’s able to do all that and in the process establish a precedent that all of that is within the power of the office of the President, where does that leave us going forward?
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Some of this is within the Constitutional power of the President, both directly and because it has already been authorized and funded by Congress. Donald Trump has repeated over and over again that when it is necessary to change a law, he will work with Congress to change the law.

He is already working with Congress. He actually can work with Congress. Now there are other candidates who have not talked about working with Congress, and who have actually said really bad things about current, and likely future, Congressional leaders. Rumor has it that no one actually likes this candidate.


205 posted on 04/14/2016 10:38:59 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: LMAO

Here are Donald J. Trump’s core principles, published in 1987.

1. Think Big
2. Protect the Downside and the Upside Will Take Care of Itself
3. Maximize Your Options
4. Know Your Market
5. Use Your Leverage
6. Enhance Your Location
7. Get the Word Out
8. Fight Back
9, Deliver the Goods
10. Contain the Costs
11. Have Fun

Now, if any of the Consistent Conservatives had applied even part of this over the past 30 years the country would not be in the shape it is in today. Instead Consistent Conservatives have stood, marched, and yammered for “family values”, “small government”, “lower taxes”, etc., all while just the opposite happened, over and over again. One betrayal of principle after another.

Here is what Donald J. Trump says at the end of The Art of the Deal:

What’s Next
Fortunately, I don’t know the answer, because if I did, that would take half the fun out of it.
This much I do know: it won’t be the same.
I’ve spent the first twenty years of my working life building, accumulating, and accomplishing things that many said could not be done. The biggest challenge I see over the next twenty years is to figure out some creative ways to give back some of what I’ve gotten.
I don’t just mean money, although that’s part of it. It’s easy to be generous when you’ve got a lot, and anyone who does, should be. But what I admire most are people who put themselves directly on the line. I’ve never been terribly interested in why people give, because their motivation is rarely what it seems to be, and it’s almost never pure altruism. To me, what matters is the doing, and giving time is far more valuable than just giving money.
In my life, there are two things I’ve found I’m very good at: overcoming obstacles and motivating good people to do their best work. One of the challenges ahead is how to use those skills as successfully in the service of others as I’ve done, up to now, on my own behalf.
Don’t get me wrong. I also plan to keep making deals, big deals, and right around the clock.

Trump, Donald J.; Schwartz, Tony (2009-12-18). Trump: The Art of the Deal (Kindle Locations 4246-4252). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.


206 posted on 04/14/2016 10:40:15 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
He actually can work with Congress.

Source?

207 posted on 04/14/2016 10:43:54 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SubMareener

Your confusing running a business and making business deals with running the Executive branch of the government which is bound by different set of laws and rules.

My fear, if elected, is what happens when he discovers the Constitution and the Separation of Powers gets in the way of “The Art of the Deal?”


208 posted on 04/14/2016 10:48:22 AM PDT by LMAO (I know Hillary and I think she'd make a great president or Vice President. Don Trump 2008)
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To: tacticalogic

Donald Trump said that NATO was obsolete, the United States was paying to much, and the free-loaders would have to pay.

Senators Slam NATO ‘Free-Riders’ in Closed-Door Meeting With Secretary General
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/06/senators-slam-nato-free-riders-in-closed-door-meeting-with-secretary-general/


209 posted on 04/14/2016 10:49:08 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener

So you don’t actually have anything to back up the statement that “He actually can work with Congress.” and want to change the subject?


210 posted on 04/14/2016 10:51:43 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: entropy12

I don’t care what he is.

If he’ll put America first, that’s good enough for me.


211 posted on 04/14/2016 10:53:47 AM PDT by Califreak (Madeleine Albright says I'm going to hell. Cruz' dad called me an infidel. Long live the Uniparty!)
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To: tacticalogic

DUH! Senators are part of Congress, last I checked. They are already investigating the implementation of one of Donald Trumps foreign policies, before he is even elected, and coming down on his side of the issue! You aren’t going to count that a “working with Congress”?


212 posted on 04/14/2016 10:56:27 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
DUH! Senators are part of Congress, last I checked. They are already investigating the implementation of one of Donald Trumps foreign policies, before he is even elected, and coming down on his side of the issue! You aren’t going to count that a “working with Congress”?

If it counts as "working with Congress" but nothing comes of it, what good are the promises he'll be able to accomplish everything on that list because "He'll be able to work with Congress"?

213 posted on 04/14/2016 11:02:28 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

It’s been ONE WEEK since Donald Trump first said this! It is not like he said he would stop the Gang-of-Eight Amnesty bill in the Senate and didn’t deliver! Get real!


214 posted on 04/14/2016 11:04:24 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
It’s been ONE WEEK since Donald Trump first said this! It is not like he said he would stop the Gang-of-Eight Amnesty bill in the Senate and didn’t deliver! Get real!

"Real" is not stating things as fact you can't know will actually happen.

215 posted on 04/14/2016 11:10:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Califreak

Your post is as brilliant as any on this forum.
I agree 100%.

While America is deteriorating right before our eyes,
idiots are worried about faux conservatism which has achieved exactly nothing.

Illegals streaming across the borders.
No wall.
Abortions still free for all.
Obamacare operating full force.
Welfare rolls as high as ever.
National debt breaking records.
ISIS growing.
Terrorism growing.

on and on and on.


216 posted on 04/14/2016 11:43:17 AM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the candidate's rich donors!)
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To: tacticalogic

“Real” is not stating things as fact you can’t know will actually happen.
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I will hold you to that standard.


217 posted on 04/14/2016 12:15:32 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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