You mean the ones where he promotes single payer universal health care and socialized medicine, talking about he's a liberal on that issue?
Posted on 01/15/2016 11:38:31 AM PST by TBP
Byron York had an interesting piece on Donald Trump that is worth reading. At least anyone who might be interested in the real Donald Trump. Trump appeared in front of the “non-partisan†No Labels group who desperately wants candidates that will “compromise†even though it is never clear what compromises will result in.
Donald Trump told this group, "Let me just tell you, the word compromise is not a bad word to me. I like the word compromise. We need compromise, there is nothing wrong with compromise, but it's always good to compromise and win. Meaning, let's compromise and win." Can you imagine the reaction of Trump’s supporters if a Marco Rubio actually met with this group and said this? The cries of RINO would arise and say that Rubio is nothing but a tool of the Establishment.
York's thesis is that Trump is prone to saying outrageous things or beginning with outrageous positions so he can get what he wants. This is Trump the deal maker who understands you won’t get all that you want so you start with many positions that you know you can throw away to get what you want in negotiations.
As American Enterprise Institute Marc Thiessen noted, a portion of Trump’s plan on immigration is actually an idea that came from Texas Moderate Senator Kay Baily Hutchison, who proposed Trump's “touchback†in which you deport millions of immigrants to let them back in. You can decide whether this is a practical plan, but make no mistake, under Trump’s reform, the vast majority of illegal today will still be here after his reforms. This means that the results will be no different than a President Rubio or a President Bush. If you don’t believe me, listen to Trump’s own words when he told CNN's Dana Bash, “I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal.â€
I have already made the case that Trump’s plan is laying the basis for Republican compromise on immigration, and I am not the only one as National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru has made the same observations. Nor is that the only area that Trump will compromise on. As I have mentioned in past posts, moderate and liberal Democrats and conservatives have all agreed that any tax reforms will include lower marginal rates and fewer deductions since 2009. Even the President's own commission under moderate Republican Alan Simpson and liberal Democrat Erskine Bowles agreed with this consensus and Trump's own tax plans follow along those same lines. Trump's tax plans also have been sold as a boon for the Middle Class, using language similar to what Marco Rubio has said about his plan. (There are differences in details but Trump’s tax plans are part of what the real consensus truly is.)
Trump has set the stage for his own version of the big compromise on both taxes and spending if elected, and his foreign policy is closer to the left than the right as he has supported the leftist position that much of the Middle East's problems are Bush’s fault and not Obama's handling of foreign policies, even though he has criticized Obama's deal making skills. In attacking Obama’s deal making skills, he has not really attacked the basis of Obama’s foreign policies. In the case of the Iranian deal, he has made it clear that he would not ditch the deal but simply “renegotiate†the deal. And his protectionist trade views are in line not just with the populist right but also the hard left.
The reality for Republican voters is that Trump is the most centrist candidate we have running, if you chose to read what he actually says as opposed to the image he projects. My own view of Trump is that of a business man who loves to make money; he has an instinct for conservative ideas but he is not the conservative that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio is. Trump doesn’t keep a copy of F.A. Hayek in his back pocket, and over the past decade, he has taken positions that are to the left of the GOP and other times, he sounds like the hard core right wing. If you look at Trump’s supporters, they are more politically moderate than Rubio’s or Cruz's supports, and they are more blue-collar. They are not traditionally conservative but he is building a broader center-right coalition, leaving the question of will that be enough? And a Trump Presidency will be a centrist administration with something for everyone, but will it be a conservative administration? That is a question that one can’t fully answer.
I agree.
On the last poll here (we need another one - forgot who did it) I voted Cruz but included Trump as a second choice.
If another poll happens I will vote Cruz and leave Trump out entirely. He has managed to alienate me with his vicious attacks, his bombast, his nastiness and his less than stellar history which is just coming out.
We cannot trust him.
LOL, you just contradicted yourself and you don't even see it.
Look, neither one of theses guys are Saints, they both have their faults.
I worked hard to get Tea Party conservatives elected then got stabbed in the back>
I met Joe Heck at the first TP here in Vegas, he swore to me that he was going to Washington to fight Obama and his reckless "transformation" of America....well, you probably know how he turned out.
The way I see it is DC is a cesspool of corruption that turns well intentioned me into traitors.
There are two possibilities to change that, Cruz or Trump.
I have no control over who the candidate is going to be, neither do you but it appears it is going to be one of them at this time.
As I wrote earlier, the real enemy is Hillary, and should have added the cabal in DC.
My objective is to destroy it, and I don't care who does it.
And if you don't think that either Trump or Cruz if they win is going to let us down, then you haven't been following politics for very long.
Neither one of them is going to change the 100+ year progressive attack and harm inflicted on this country over night...it's going to take a couple of generations but for a ship to change its course you must firs alter the rudder.
Its been all over the tv, flip the dial. Yes Trump implied that Cruz was insulting 911 victims... do you need a link? Open your eyes
Oh, you said FReepers, I didn't realize FR was all over the TV now.
LIAR.
I did a google search on the phrase... “Trump says Cruz insults 911 victims” multiple links appear, too many to list.
Hopw did you miss it, maybe you watched another debate?
BTW did you not notice that Trump felt no need to directly correct Cruz on abortion and gay marriage? Cruz mentioned them both word for word as p[art of what he m,eant by NY Values.
You know why Trump never corrected? Because neither subject means a thing to Trump and they never have.
Social Conservative/Christian issues are totally foreign to Trump, he had no response because he has no stance on either outside of this election.
Trump never corrected Cruz on abortion/homosexuality... when you people go with Trump you are disrespecting Christian values, hence Christ The Lord
You accused FReepers, I asked you for links.
Put up or shut up.
you said link I thought you meant media link... I got a inbox here with people responding as such just today that fits what I said.
heres one I picked at random, dont recall speaking to this person, but this was the response to me
1/15/2016, 11:31:36 AM · 47 of 75
AnnieO to Chauncey Uppercrust
And dam proud of it. Where were you on 911 coward. I
I had only said Trump supporters apparently share NY Values.
You can check my history if you are really, really bored and I supported Trump consistently until recently.
I didn’t like his cruel and underhanded attack on Ben Carson when Ben was leading Iowa. He called Iowa voters stupid and insinuated that Ben was deranged. But because I didn’t think Carson would be up for the presidency I let it pass.
He’s doing the same thing to Cruz and I don’t let that pass.
He might be your friend but don’t creep up on him in Iowa or any primary poll. He will throw you to the wolves.
You don’t have to be a nice person to be president but you should be trustworthy.
I don’t think Trump is.
It`s all over the place here open your eyes
Don’t use that silly Noob thing. UNless you’ve been here since the beginning and you haven’t.
Am very disappointed in the Freepers that are saying Cruz bashed the memory of 911 etc, they prove they have no value as far as I am concerned, I would not welcome any of you in my home, you would not be welcome.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/gop/3384143/posts?page=39#6
See how easy that is, put up or shut up.
I went through the initiation and weathered my share of questioning, so can they.
I would have been here since the beginning, if I knew it existed.
You mean the ones where he promotes single payer universal health care and socialized medicine, talking about he's a liberal on that issue?
Like I said, show me the links and I'll spank them my self.....waiting......
you’re free to question anyone but I resent calling people noobs. It’s a cheap shot.
Where did you find the only picture of Trump that makes him look kinda nice?
Perhaps, it's just that I've seen so many of them that do indeed turn out to be trolls only to be zotted.
I stand by that, am horrified by all the comments here at FR along those lines. Yes I stand by that absolutely.
You can find comments like I say in virtually any Cruz or Trump thread
I guess your values are Las Vegas values. I never lied so thats another one you are guilty of.
I am done with you, if I am as bad as you say Report me. Hy mayb they will agree with you, I said what I believe.
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