Posted on 05/21/2015 12:55:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Since this bill does nothing but target innocent American citizens and ignores terrorists, I don't see how the security we DO NOT now have can be compromised.
Mr King doesn't realize that crapping all over the Constitution is what is really damaging our national security. Moron.
If King from New York is for the NSA data collection, it MUST be wrong.
He is the RINOiest of the RINOs.
They already can just buy it from Google.
Do Americans truly believe that the agencies tasked with the huge job of preventing another terrorist attack on this country really spend their time siftng through the average citizen’s emails and phone calls? I’d be glad to give them mine if they need something for insomnia.
Seriously, I think we are in more danger from hackers than intelligence gathering agencies. Every detail of our lives is on some kind of data base, our medical records, banking records, phone calls, google searches, and emails. If we’re worried about Privacy, that ship has sailed with the advent of the computer age.
“Do Americans truly believe that the agencies tasked with the huge job of preventing another terrorist attack on this country really spend their time siftng through the average citizen’s emails and phone calls? I’d be glad to give them mine if they need something for insomnia.”
You are a fool. They collect it all. They will use it against you as soon as they want to. Any comment you made, any site you visited any number you called over decades will be available for them to infer charges against you and make a one-sided case against you. It will be used anytime you are deemed an enemy of the state to fabricate a case for your crimes.
“Seriously, I think we are in more danger from hackers than intelligence gathering agencies.”
Intelligence agencies are now the most egregious hackers. Are you reading and paying attention?
Do you have curtains in your home? Why? Do you have something to hide?
Any violation of being secure in our persons and property is a strike against our Constitution.
That is just a start.
[ Do Americans truly believe that the agencies tasked with the huge job of preventing another terrorist attack on this country really spend their time siftng through the average citizen’s emails and phone calls? I’d be glad to give them mine if they need something for insomnia.
Seriously, I think we are in more danger from hackers than intelligence gathering agencies. Every detail of our lives is on some kind of data base, our medical records, banking records, phone calls, google searches, and emails. If we’re worried about Privacy, that ship has sailed with the advent of the computer age. ]
That all depends on whom in government you have/have not pissed off and what groups you are a member of, who have or have not pissed off the wrong people in government, see: tea party groups, see: IRS, see: Lois Lerner
Do you personally know anyone who has been charged with a crime from information gathered under the Patriot Act? If so, did they commit a crime?
We all know someone who has been the target of hackers stealing credit card info. Most of us have been victims ourselves.
I support the USA Freedom Act as a replacement to the Patriot Act, BTW.
Here’s the thing. The targeting of Tea Party Conservatives didn’t have anything to do with the NSA or any agency operating under the Patriot Act. That was politically motivated by this corrupt administration.
Ah yes, the classic “I have nothing to hide” mindset.
Sure, you’re not interesting to them.
Until they decide a “terrorist” includes indicators YOU exhibit: conservative, frequent right-wing websites (FR), whatever descriptors tend to pigeonhole you for what you consider yourself as. Then, suddenly, they’ve got this 10+ year dossier on you exhibiting assorted anti-government anti-whatever pro-extremist characteristics, at which point they...well...take a look at history and see what happens to “normal” people who suddenly are disfavored by those in power.
Remember when being Christian/pro-life/straight-marriage/self-sufficient/patriotic/etc was the epitome of upstanding citizenship? now seems it’s code words for “them” heading toward grounds for incarceration & re-education.
Sure, lots of your information is well-known and well-recorded. Our government should, pursuant to facilitating the 4th Amendment, be encouraging those businesses to keep that information well-encrypted and unavailable to unwarranted search.
There’s also “chilling effects”.
A lot of people don’t say certain things on phone calls - harmless in fact, but easily misconstrued by those searching for keyword combinations.
Sorry, I’m just not that paranoid. I have yet for one person to cite a case of anyone they know who has been targeted by information gathered by intelligence agencies.
Corrupt politicians are another matter: The recent IRS politically motivated targeting of the Tea Party. Remember File Gate when HIllary ordered the stacks and stacks of FBI files to be brought to the White House?
As for evidence of my being Christian, prolife, straight, self-suffcient, patriotic etc., I intend to make sure there is enough evidence to make That case and I have no intention of living my life in fear while I do it.
I'm pretty sure phone calls, email, internet action taken in this house isn't studied/targeted since a family member works there looking for terrorists. We're just old family members with one of us having worked at the Pentagon years ago. There is no doubt we are true Americans so they wouldn't waste their time on us.
That said, I'd like to see that searching of emails, listening to phone calls and searching for words you say on the internet, go away. They don't have the right to do any of that. They are supposed to get a judge's order to do that but I've read they have special judges set aside to quickly issue the order. I read somewhere they seldom get turned down by these secret judges.
Obama and his Homeland Security is another matter. I'm sure I'm on their list of possible prepper domestic terrorists since I have written so much about prepping on another website. I say nuts to you, Homeland Security.
I do know, some way, every Republican candidate or those considering running, stuff my email box and I didn't knowingly, give any of them but Cruz access to my email. I would bet many of you are also on their lists, too, and you don't know, either, how they got it.
I think the only way I can be free of all this, is lock my door and stay off the internet including stopping emailing and never make a phone call. That's a crummy option and I'm not doing it.
“I’m pretty sure phone calls, email, internet action taken in this house isn’t studied/targeted since a family member works there looking for terrorists.”
Have you ever considered that this may make your information more likely to be prioritized?
After several whistle-blowers from within, I suspect this is the case.
Of course, for all their efforts violating the Constitution, they didn’t even head off the attack on their own headquarters earlier this year...
“Do you personally know anyone who has been charged with a crime from information gathered under the Patriot Act? If so, did they commit a crime?”
Wrong question...
” The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
Today, you do not even know what is in the tens of thousands of pages of laws. As soon as you are deemed an enemy of those in power, your collected history can be searched to find out just how you have violated the laws - stretching back decades.
I think my question was a valid one. The subject of this thread and many others is the effect of the Patriot Act on our Civil Rights. So, I’ll ask again, does Anybody know Anyone who has been targeted by an intelligence agency operating under the Patriot Act? If so, what triggered it and what was the outcome?
“Have you ever considered that this may make your information more likely to be prioritized?”
No, a waste of their time. Also, don’t assume those professionals working there are supportive of Obama. They are looking for terrorists wanting to kill us. I don’t include them among his political hit groups, such as Homeland Security and the IRS.
” So, I’ll ask again, does Anybody know Anyone who has been targeted by an intelligence agency operating under the Patriot Act? If so, what triggered it and what was the outcome?”
I suspect it isn’t able to be determined - regardless of whether it is a good question or not.
The better question in my view is whether the Patriot Act violates due process an other rights of the Constitution and is therefore illegal. I consider it so, whether they ever used it in the way you ask or not.
“No, a waste of their time. Also, don’t assume those professionals working there are supportive of Obama. They are looking for terrorists wanting to kill us. I don’t include them among his political hit groups, such as Homeland Security and the IRS.”
I suspect it is not a waste of their time across the full spectrum of all employees and contractors. Without collecting all, they cannot know.
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