Christie has tested and trusted team ready if he runs for White House

The Bergen Record ^ | December 2, 2013 | Melissa Hayes and John Reitmeyer

[sickoflibs]

RE :”It is shocking. The disconnect between leadership and the base is enormous. It’s as though we are fighting the opposition party within our own party... and they certainly don’t hesitate to “go Democrat” on primary challengers from the Conservative base (so long as they don’t do the same on the actual Democrats in the general, once they’ve gotten the nomination).”

The conclusion I came to easily after the last election fiasco 2012 is that Romney won the primary because he had no real opponents.

Bachman, Perry, Cain, Santurum, and Newt were all weak candidates a number of them with serious flaws.

Perry was the only one one had a decent resume for that job ( required to convince Republicans he was electable ) and he couldn't handle the debates.

And the debates themselves were a freak show. They all claimed they would veto spending cuts if they were attached to any tax increase even one tenth the amount of the cuts.
And they spent most of the primary beating up on each other and sucking up to Romney.

Want to beat the establishment candidates ? Then it takes a real opposition candidate. Someone who can challenge a Romney or Christie with 'I can do that job'

I bet you wont hear that on talk radio. A talk radio host wanna-bee is not going to do it. Not even if we post 'I would vote for him/her' over and over.

[Resolute Conservative]

I think the article meant run for White Castle.

[antidisestablishment]

Romney was the only one left standing, but he was also the chosen candidate by the opposition, AKA the mainstream media in concert with the GOPe—as they are now doing with KrispyKreme.

The press did not have to lift a glove against Romney in the primaries because Republicans do their own maiming so well and they wanted to save their best ammo for the main event.

With the exception of Perry, who graciously committed Hari Kari, Cain, Bachmand and Newt were viciously attacked by the press when they took the lead. (Santorum was never a front runner) The entire process was designed to mortally wound any conservative candidate. It was hardly a shock that the (GOPe) chosen one walks through unscathed.

[DoodleDawg]

Christie has tested and trusted team ready if he runs for White House

What do you mean "if he runs"? He already is.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”With the exception of Perry, who graciously committed Hari Kari, Cain, Bachmand and Newt were viciously attacked by the press when they took the lead. (Santorum was never a front runner) The entire process was designed to mortally wound any conservative candidate. It was hardly a shock that the (GOPe) chosen one walks through unscathed.”

Both Perry and Cain self destructed,

That left Santurum and Newt who were almost designed to lose.

Santurum left his Senate seat booted by PA voters, then went to FNC.

and Newt left his House Speaker job resigning it because of all kinds of personal and professional problems, then went to FNC. He has too many problems+past baggage to list in this comment.

That goes back to my point. Romney had no real opposition last year.

[antidisestablishment]

Cain did not self-destruct—at least not initially. He was the target of a well executed attack. I will admit that this ultimately resulted his untimely, if self-inflicted, destruction. :)

My main point was Romney was no better than any of them. He won by default, and then he abandoned the race to Obama—just as the GOPe desired.

[tanknetter]

The best A list campaign team on the planet is worthless if the candidate they’re running is hated by the people who they need to convince to vote for him.

There’s no chance - zero - of Christie getting the nomination. Even in a brokered convention scenario.

He might make a good Secretary of Something Unimportant in a future GOP Administration. If there is one ...

[sickoflibs]

RE :”My main point was Romney was no better than any of them. “

My point is that unless real candidates are willing to step up and challenge the GOPe Romney types then history will keep repeating itself.

Lots of GOP primary voters pick them because they look electable and they see no alternatives. (Romney's resume was weak but not as weak as the others)

The more the GOP loses the more this is re-enforced in their minds.

So knock out Christie and the others with a real candidate

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Cain did not self-destruct—at least not initially. He was the target of a well executed attack. I will admit that this ultimately resulted his untimely, if self-inflicted, destruction. :)”

I thought Cain was fun at first (the others were so bleak I guess) but looking back I can see he wasnt a real candidate at all, he was a caricature of one.
In fact he seemed to like Romney.
He had zero chance of winning the primary.

In the end when that last woman came out that he had paid for being just ‘friends’ and not telling his wife about it and pulled out it left him with zero credibility.

[antidisestablishment]

I cannot coun the number of times I asked my wife, “this is the best they can do?”

Cain appeared to be a genuine person, and that was enough to set him apart from the group. I agree he had no chance, but stranger things have happened. People are not logical animals...

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Cain appeared to be a genuine person, and that was enough to set him apart from the group. I agree he had no chance, but stranger things have happened. People are not logical animals...”

Cain was definitely likable and I been watching Cavuto daily for about a decade and Cain was a regular guest so I liked him. And that small business background seemed nice too contrary to Romney.

But the fact is he never held an elected office and when asked typical candidate questions he would respond with jokes.

Looking back I can see it was just wishful thinking that he would beat Romney in primary. Actually it was desperate thinking.

[SoConPubbie]

Looking back I can see it was just wishful thinking that he would beat Romney in primary. Actually it was desperate thinking.

And Yet, Romney was always the candidate least likely to win the General Election given his atrocious Progressive Liberal record, his inability to articulate a conservative message(Because he wasn't one), his liberal social issue policy positions, and his refusal to attack head on Obama.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”And Yet, Romney was always the candidate least likely to win the General Election given his atrocious Progressive Liberal record, his inability to articulate a conservative message(Because he wasn't one), his liberal social issue policy positions, and his refusal to attack head on Obama”

Given all the others with their problems I dont see where they had any better chance than he did to beat Obama.

Certainly Romney had lots of weaknesses to begin with (what did he run on again?) and then the primary made it even more difficult for him to beat Obama, Obama didnt have one of those.

Romney's theme was like 'I ran a business. I will cut taxes, drill some oil, cut some unspecified spending, some change to medicare effective 2022 and you all will get great jobs'

[GOPsterinMA]

Yes, when the very sexual, very tight, “His Rickness” imploded, failure was insured.

[Colonel_Flagg]

Exactly. The view from the back of the bus sucks. Either we drive it this time, or we get a new bus.

[SoConPubbie]

No, that's just his PR, what you left out, and what were his stated policy positions, is what sunk his boat all along.

1. Implementation of a Socialistic Healthcare program called RomneyCare across all 50 states, as if that made it a states right issue and somehow made the Socialism OK (Repeal and Replace).
2. Support for Gays in the Military
3. Support for Gays in the Boy Scouts
4. Support for Gay Adoption
5. Support for Abortion, almost wholesale Abortion. August 2012 - something to the effect of "I support Abortion in the case of Rape Incest, Life and HEALTH of the Mother. That has always been my position".
6. Overt lying about the other candidates in the primaries rising to the level of smears. (See the lies about Newt Gringrich)

Let's not whitewash what amounted to the worst possible GOP POTUS candidate in our lifetime.

A sock-puppet could have beaten Obama, because of his extreme leftism, if they only had even just a slight majority of conservative principles and could communicate them.

Romney did not and his approach was to run away from the base and to the mythical moderate voter that was going to save his election chances.

[SoConPubbie]

Romney's theme was like 'I ran a business. I will cut taxes, drill some oil, cut some unspecified spending, some change to medicare effective 2022 and you all will get great jobs'

That was only part of the story where Romney is/was concerned; that's just his PR. What you left out, and what were his stated policy positions, is what sunk his boat all along.

1. Implementation of a Socialistic Healthcare program called RomneyCare across all 50 states, as if that made it a states right issue and somehow made the Socialism OK (Repeal and Replace).
2. Support for Gays in the Military
3. Support for Gays in the Boy Scouts
4. Support for Gay Adoption
5. Support for Abortion, almost wholesale Abortion. August 2012 - something to the effect of "I support Abortion in the case of Rape Incest, Life and HEALTH of the Mother. That has always been my position".
6. Overt lying about the other candidates in the primaries rising to the level of smears. (See the lies about Newt Gringrich)

Let's not whitewash what amounted to the worst possible GOP POTUS candidate in our lifetime.

A sock-puppet could have beaten Obama, because of his extreme leftism, if they only had even just a slight majority of conservative principles and could communicate them.

Romney did not take or communicate conservative positions and his campaign approach was to run away from the base and to the mythical moderate voter that was going to save his election chances. Thereby disengaging, if not infuriating, his base and giving them no reason to get excited or get involved.

In other words, this was his election to lose, and he chose to lose it.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”A sock-puppet could have beaten Obama, because of his extreme leftism, if they only had even just a slight majority of conservative principles and could communicate them. “

Clearly not.

Those other losers and light-weights had no better chance of winning than Romney did.

It looks like that group was just looking for TV air-time and not really opposing Romney either.

A perfect sign that disaster was coming was when Wallace asked them all if they would accept spending cuts if they were attached to 1/10 of the $$$ amount in tax increase (10 in cuts to 1 in taxes) and they all lied on stage and said they would reject that deal, because that's what they thought the audience wanted to hear.

Romney lied his way through the primary, but the others were not serious.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”6. Overt lying about the other candidates in the primaries rising to the level of smears. (See the lies about Newt Gringrich)”

Perfect example, Newt. Definitely not a serious candidate.

Video : Newt Gingrich and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi - We Can Solve It (Newt says: “Speaker Nancy Pelosi and I agree that we need to demand action from our leaders to combat climate change” ie mandate ethanol)

Gingrich Earned Twice As Much As Previously Disclosed From Ethanol Lobbying Group

[9YearLurker]

Christie and Walker are both pro-amnesty.

Which ends any consideration of them on my part.