Senate cloture vote tells us one thing: the GOP as a national party is dead

Protein Wisdom ^ | April 11, 2013 | Jeff Goldstein

[2ndDivisionVet]

As some Newtown families, props being used by the very gun grabbers who have set up the kinds of gun-free shooting galleries in which their children were slain, held hands and prayed for more than 60 votes (having been flown in at taxpayer expense to lobby our representatives to take away our natural rights), it occurred to me that, with 16 Republicans voting that a debate on amending an unalienable right is perfectly in keeping with the Constitution, the Republican party then and there died. Went t*ts up. Ceased to be.

If John McCain and Lindsay Graham and Lamar Alexander are in your party — and carry much weight in that party — you are in the wrong party.

Those pictures of the Newtown parents are why we have an amendment process in the first place. It makes demagoguery difficult. It puts time and space between a ginned up mob and extensive deliberation, something that we no longer engage in — with at least one bill to be voted on not yet released to the public in legislative language.

So. I proposed this half-seriously back in 2008-9, but it’s now time to reintroduce it in earnest: the time has come for a third party. Now, that third party may lose, at least initially, but at least those who join it can point, laugh, and say I told you so. If we’re going to lose anyway — and at this point, a vote for either national party is a losing proposition — we may as well do so with our integrity intact.

Plus, those who join? We’ll know are, for the most part, our natural political allies.....

[deoetdoctrinae]

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[redgolum]

I suspect your right.

[Ron C.]

Strongly disagree - history tells us why. There have been calls for, and work done dozens of times in America's past to form 'new' parties. But, all efforts to build and grow a new party has fallen by the wayside shortly thereafter.

The problem we face right now is the same problem that has always existed - mostly caused by apathy, misinformation and ignorance of what needs to be done by whom.

Keeping a party healthy means taking care of business locally. If everyone who calls themselves conservative were actually involved on a monthly basis in their local districts, building membership and attending county and state party functions - working to deny office to obvious liberals - then conservatism could be said to be alive.

However - the truth is, many who call themselves conservative do absolutely nothing to promote conservatism in their own political district (district, county, state.) Ergo, many are anything but true conservatives - just ignorant blowhards without credible credentials.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Ping!

[2ndDivisionVet]

Huh? The Republican Party was “new” in the 1850’s and had never elected a president.

[Political Junkie Too]

The GOP, as a national party, has been a dead man walking since Bob Dole => Trent Lott => Bill Frist => Mitch McConnell.

-PJ

[exit82]

The GOP died on February 12,1999.

Since then,lividity.

[PieterCasparzen]

We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

The banking elites have been choosing candidates for quite some time.

They make it clear what their program is to the incoming President, if he's not already one of theirs and aware.

Both "parties" - at the top - are both on the globalization plan; the only thing that would be noteworthy is if a total (real, not fake) outsider could successfully get elected and then somehow not completely go along with their plans and also not be assassinated, forced to resign, etc.

Grassroots is the thing to worry about, IMHO, not the Presidency. Have to publicly call out the money interests, the foundations, etc., run them into the ground, put intense pressure on their politicians.

[PieterCasparzen]

Keeping a party healthy means taking care of business locally. If everyone who calls themselves conservative were actually involved on a monthly basis in their local districts, building membership and attending county and state party functions - working to deny office to obvious liberals - then conservatism could be said to be alive.

Left out the big money interests.

They control publicly-held corporations and the Fed.

Their top-level tax-exempt arm, the foundations that control education, "movements", media.

Oh, and they control the leadership of both parties.

If you don't raise public awareness of these controllers, they continue brainwashing and lying; they will always be able to fool voters. And their party bosses will always ensure that candidates on the ballot, either conservative or liberal, will always keep the Federal debt blossoming and sucking taxes out of "their suckers", and using regulation to hold down any competition for them.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

I’m in Georgia and our two utterly pathetic pieces of shit senators voted to allow this to come to a vote saying debate is healthy.These sumbitches are anything but healthy.We need to start protesting in front of their offices here in Georgia and make those that work for them utterly miserable.

[MestaMachine]

I have a measuring stick that doesn’t fit any of the things you usually hear or see when it comes to picking a president who LEADS a party.
WHICH president from either party since jimmy carter is NOT responsible for adding one or more NEWLY minted, radically islamic, anti-American countries to the globe?
While everything else is a ‘crisis’ for either party, name me ONE president who has even tried to stop the islamicization of the world.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Not one.

[MestaMachine]

Ping

[Jim Noble]

The point of a new party is not to win - that’s why it’s so hard to get off the ground.

The point is to defend and to legitimize ideas that are not now part of the political system.

[Will88]

Ross Perot proved that a well funded third party with a well known high profile candidate can garner about 20% of the vote. (BJ Clinton was certainly in favor of it)

Before Perot dropped out, he led the race with 37% of the vote. He sabotaged his own campaign and about half of the support he'd won, then ended up with 20%.

No one can conclude from that that no third party can be successful.

[SoConPubbie]

We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

Two of those people you list are JackAsses that WILL grant Amnesty to 30 Million+ Undocumented Democrats thereby GUARANTEEING that Republicans will not come near the Presidency or being in control of congress for decades, if not forever.

So you'd better start caring, NOW!

[Psiman]

agreed. Chambliss in particular is an obnoxious squirt of dog sh*t.

[Axenolith]

No, it isn’t, not if a 3rd party seeks to merely gain “kingmaker” status by garnering 4-6 senate seats and a couple dozen house seats. With the house seats, they can always vote/caucus with R’s.

[Axenolith]

First thing a “3rd party” needs to do is swear off attempting the presidency. That ain’t gonna happen, and it just allows the doucheocrat party to get a marxist in.

[Windflier]

We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin.

You'd better care.

That attitude is precisely why the GOP-e is in charge of our party, and why they keep stuffing worthless, quisling, RINOs down our throats every four years.