No, you've cut and pasted in a collection of quotes around FR, which you believe support your theory of NBC. Not once on this thread have you even attempted to make the case for your interpretation, in your own words.
Jeff, I've now given you three chances to inform us as to why you believe what you do. Despite repeated requests, you've done nothing but rail against others' interpretations of NBC, and insist upon your own rightness (along with a liberal dose of ad hominems).
As I said in one of my earlier posts, you've proven able at assembling large quantities of words to throw at your debate opponents, but you've completely failed to convince anyone on the other side, with even the barest semblance of logic or reason.
In case you hadn't noticed, this a conservative audience. They're not easily swayed by boisterous naysaying and name calling. If you want to make a real case for your position, using those quotes you posted to back up your argument, then others will listen. If you're incapable of doing that, you may as well sit down.
The quotes speak for themselves. In no case (except, as noted, the case of the discredited Ramsay) do they ever even ATTEMPT to say that both birth on US soil and citizen parents are required.
Some of them even say CATEGORICALLY AND ABSOLUTELY that citizen parents are NOT required for anyone born on US soil to be a natural born citizen.
You look at those and think I should make some further argument. Well, actually, I did. You must have missed it.
It’s very simple, because the history and even the theory of this is far simpler than birthers make it.
1. “Natural born subject” came from natural law. The principle, which originated in Middle Ages England, which was a Christian nation at the time, came from the writings of St. Paul. The principle was that anyone born within a realm was by natural and divine law a subject of that realm and responsible to obey the authority that God had put in charge of the realm he was born into.
That is the NATURAL LAW behind “natural born subject.” And by that NATURAL LAW rule, any child born even to aliens resident in the land was a natural born subject.
2. The exact same rule (the US Supreme Court in 1898 said exactly the same thing I’m saying now) applied first in England. Then in the American Colonies. Then, in each of the United States after Independence. Then, in the United States after the establishment of the Constitution. “Natural born subject” became “natural born citizen” when we dropped the allegiance to a king. That is the ONLY thing that changed.
This fact of history and law has been clearly confirmed by multiple courts including Lynch (1844, New York) and most notably the US Supreme Court in US V. Wong Kim Ark, 1898.
The rule was never changed. It applied then to natural born subjects. It has applied throughout American history to natural born citizens. It applies even now.
It’s just not that hard.
And what I am saying is backed up by pretty much every significant legal authority in HISTORY.
Windflier you said: “Jeff, I’ve now given you three chances to inform us as to why you believe what you do. Despite repeated requests, you’ve done nothing but rail against others’ interpretations of NBC,”
I asked Jeff this Tuesday night:
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:22:56 PM · 1,312 of 1,484
Cold Case Posse Supporter to Jeff Winston
“Do you like the idea that for a U.S. president to be eligible for the presidency, he has to strictly have two U.S. Citizen parents prior to his birth?”
His exact answer to me was this in his own words:
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:42:31 PM · 1,314 of 1,484
Jeff Winston to Cold Case Posse Supporter
“I frankly don’t care one way or the other. It makes no difference at all to me.”
So if Jeff doesn’t care one way or the other as he states, then why is he on this grand mission attempting to discredit anyone who says that both parents have to be U.S. citizens for one to become a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen?
Thanks for the emails Windflier. Could you do me a favor and point me in a direction how to contact a moderator? For some reason, I can’t reply to people emailing me anymore. It say’s:
‘Sorry, your account is too new to use this feature’
I could reply for a while but all of the sudden I can’t.
Thanks.
CCPS