Posted on 11/22/2012 10:31:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I completely understand your making distinction between the legitimate receivers of entitlements and the freeloaders
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PLEASE do not refer to SS as an entitlement.
IMNSHO, an entitlement is something given which isn’t earned.
My kids getting my SS would be an entitlement, while my drawing is a result of MY work etc,
FICA is named Federal Insurance Contributions Act.
A payroll tax paid by the employer and employee.
In my case, having ventured into the ‘ownership’ phase, I ended up paying full load.
Whether or not my stab at entrepreneurship was successful or not is sort of moot, I still paid into an Insurance Plan forced upon me by the Government.
Whether it is prudent or not for me to ‘accept’ the money etc, I do so without qualm or remorse, as I have ‘contributed’ into the fund since 1953.
I expect no less than receipt of what I ‘paid for or at least paid into’, no more or less than if it were NY Life etc.
The MAJOR exception being NY Life didn’t reach into my pocket and take moneys ‘for my behalf’.
In a sense now, what with the Govt ‘FORCING’ all into health insurance what are the people griping about MY receiving SS now - while they are 30 or so - WHAT is their reaction going to be at 65 when it turns out that ‘FREE INSURANCE’ is not available because the ‘Money Managers’ Mismanaged the funds?
“I was not a fan in the primary’s, but always recognized that a President must be able to unify the general electorate.”
The American “general electorate” is NEVER going to be “unified” again by ANY president.
The country has become too divided for that.
To believe otherwise is to spout a platitude that sounds wonderful on the stump, but has no basis in reality (at least not any longer, considering the demographic directions in which the nation is moving).
I have no solution that could again produce such “unity”.
That part of the American experiment seems to be over, and the results are obvious.
'WE'?
My enemy is liberalism. My enemy is government. Until y'all realize that BOTH parties are the enemy... That BOTH parties are addicted to their power, there will be no unity.
Keep settling for politicians and that is what you will get. Politicians are in the game for power. ALL of them.
Me, I want statesmen. Principled men. Men whose hearts cannot be swayed by fickle winds of popularity. Men who find principle to be more important than money. In these you will find unity of purpose.
Reject the pragmatism and compromise of NeoConservatism, Stand for what you believe in. VOTE for what you believe in. And while you are at it, If your candidate satisfies you, make sure he satisfies the principles of all conservative factions too. Otherwise he can't win, and you may as well stay home. That is Reagan Conservatism. We don't stand together by compromising. We stand together when we don't compromise. That is what MAKES US stand together.
Whatever it is, you aren’t going to convince a majority of women in this country that the right they now have is murder and that by practicing that right they are murderers or by wanting to practice it they want to be murderers.
It is not ever going to happen. That genie is out of the bottle and it is between those who do it and God.
If that is your primary driving factor in selecting canidates and voting, then you will lose.
I already know that both parties are the enemy.
One party is the master, the other party is the familiar.
Furthermore I also know that government itself is the enemy, and the root reason for that is that man is the enemy.
“Romney ran a VERY competent strong race, but he lost to the Ozero.
The question is why?”
The answer is not hard to see or understand, if you’re willing to look it squarely in the face.
In fact, it’s quite simple:
The Republican party (and in a larger sense, conservatism per se) no longer has a “product” that a growing number of Americans have much interest in.
What we have to sell, they ain’t buyin’. I sense the folks at Ford must have discovered that when they tried to sell the Edsel!
The folks who still do “buy Republican/conservative” are slowly dying off, and they’re being replaced (and in some states, DISplaced) by a “new cohort” of Americans who clamor for what the democrats have to offer.
And it’s going to be very difficult — perhaps impossible — to ever “convert” these new cohorts to conservatism. It’s not in their vocabulary because its not in their heritage/ethnicity.
Conservatism is a concept that essentially embodies the mores, precepts and traditions of a single ethnic group. That group is no longer in ascendance in The West. Quite the contrary, it’s in decline, and here in North America, our governments seem to be doing everything possible to hasten that decline while the media and “trend makers” of Hollywood celebrate their own demise.
Is it really that difficult to see this?
And, once you have come to grips with these realities, why is it so hard to see the future?
I’m a realist, and that’s what I see.
“That genie is out of the bottle and it is between those who do it and God...If that is your primary driving factor in selecting canidates and voting, then you will lose.”
How I vote is also between I ‘who do it’ and God.
If I and, more to the point, you are willing to condone a candidate’s approval of murder, then we are already lost.
To me that is true in a human sense as well as a spiritual or religious sense.
I simply cannot accept the pro-abortion argument personally, and I would certainly never attempt to make the case before God.
I think a very large chunk of the USA could break off and possibly restore a constitutionally governed country.
You are deluded.
Palin was selling the brand in 2008; so well in fact, that McCain's pro-Romney campaign advisors had to start sabotaging their own campaign so that the field would be clear for Romney in 2012. That's a fact.
Palin regularly drew crowds of 60,000 to 80,000 everywhere she went in campaign 2008 (and since) as the VP candidate, and only once or twice in 2012 did Romney get close to a crowd that size. That's a fact.
Palin is still the most spokesperson for commonsense conservatism in the USA. Rather than just "selling the brand", she has lived it her whole adult life, and people recognize it, and they show up in record numbers when she is speaking. That's a fact.
Full disclosure: I voted for Romney in 2012, but the facts are the facts.
It is not charmisa the boy has but deception. Those who embraced him are under his spirit of seduction - and that is evil. It doesn’t matter how bad he does - that spirit has them deceived by seduction.
Romney is a flip flopping liberal mormon.
Therefore Tea Party members stayed home in droves and Christian conservatives did the same.
We need to change our nominating process so that liberals like Dole, McCain, W, and Romney stop winning the primaries.
Stop following the demonrat process and get a conservative who will actually preach conservatism.
Ann Coulter is to Conservatism what Tony Romo is to successful Dallas Cowboys football....
Coulter spent more time attacking Obama Eligibility people than Obama himself....Obama sent her a Thank You note helping him get re-elected by helping him with the “Birthers”.
The GOP will not win national elections with Illegal Alien Amnesty, Pandering to Hispanics, and thinking Marco Rubio is going to get Mexican-Amer. and Puerto Rican Amer. voting GOP.
Strong conservative candidates will bring back the white vote...which 40% of that went to Obama. Going liberal to get Hispanics will not
We are already lost.
A majority of people in this country aren’t concerned with God, and they aren’t concerned with whether or not abortion is murder.
For me personally, I support abortion being legal in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother. That doesn’t mean I’m pro abortion, it means I’m pro it being legal in those situations. That being said, I’m clearly in the minority in my position, and those to the right of me are further in that minority compared to the rest of the country.
But like I said, if this is the primary issue that drives you in candidtae selection as well as in whom to vote for, then it’s time to get used to losing, because there is no doubt at all that we are already lost.
It’s too late for that.
The die has been cast.
First off, as soon as amnesty passes, the face of the electorate will have forever changed. The GOP will be finished as soon as that happens, there will not even be a need for a nominating process, because whomever they run will lose.
Secondly, the GOP will nominate moderates, because that is what they believe they need to win despite just having lost two presidential elections in a row with them and despite Huntsman and Pawlenty going nowhere in the nomination process. You are talking about the stupidest party ever in the history of mankind.
In staying home this election, conservatives have sealed their fate.
I always contributed the maximum in all of my 37 years of working. But if I live to be 100, I would call it an entitlement since I will collect lot more than paid in.
However I know personally people who contributed much smaller amounts since their earnings were much lower than mine, yet they are collecting monthly amounts not a lot smaller than mine. In my thinking theirs is entitlement.
I would call it an entitlement since I will collect lot more than paid in.
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It is obvious we both think the same way, just taking the meaning of a word in a different vein.
I consider something called an entitlement something that one thinks they have ‘coming’ to them.
Would you call your retirement from private industry an entitlement?
“These” people use plays on words to legitimatize a situation in as much ‘earned income credit’ which, in my way of thinking is an ‘entitlement’ as it definitely isn’t earned or paid for but a sort of ‘bonus’ because you had a low paying job.
In my way of thinking ‘earned income credit’ has a better ring to it than call an earned credit an entitlement.
Again, as you stated you paid into it for 37 years, also Medicare which, yes, THEY did tell us that you should probably get supplemental insurance to cover the short fall.
However, if one were to have picked a good ‘investment’ and paid the amount TAKEN from you by the Govt, chances are you would be in excellent shape today.
The biggest ‘problem’ with SS is ‘they’ never figured people would ever collect for a whole lot of years and it was never invested (or whatever) and you still have dummies trying to tell you there is this great ‘locked box’ with FICA funds in it.
I don’t think even the average BO voter fell for that one MR Gore.
I don’t know if it is still possible but I do remember that someone would retire from the Govt, go to work for the private sector and qualify for Social Security
You say that as a nation we are already lost.
I’m not sure if you mean only politically, or if you mean morally and spiritually too.
In either case, or both, why would we want to cast our votes for someone who wants only to lead us even faster down the path to destruction?
You are saying that you and I should toss aside our deepest convictions in hopes of winning an election in a country that is doomed, in an earthly and heavenly sense?
Sorry. Elections are important but one’s decency and one’s soul are infinitely more so. When all else is gone, when perhaps you and I will be cast out or locked up, they will be what we have left, and blessedly so.
You’re correct, but the govt pension is deducted from your SS, at least in my wife’s situation.
Well, Whitey, I mean politcally, morally and spiritually...and I would go ahead and add financially and strategically as well.
No, I am not saying we should toss our deepest convictions aside. I must add that I personally am not driven by the abortion issue. I do consider myself pro-life, but I have been called pro- abortion by some people on this site, but that’s not the case. I will say that I do believe we have or at least had more pressing issues to deal with than that one, but honestly those more pressing issues no longer matter as far as I can see.
I am saying that if one is driven primarily by the right to life in elections, in this country that person can now expect to lose, but being a person who is not primarily driven by that issue, I can also expect to lose so...it’s kind of a moot point.
I do think we are in serious trouble in this oucntry Whitey, because the left is singularly united by their lust for power, and their opponents are driven by different guiding principles and not particularly united by any of them.
We were not even united by the loss of our freedom as a people, so I don’t see any hope at all really.
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