Posted on 10/22/2011 9:35:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven
If you go to Rick Santorum's official website, you'll find the following blub on the front page:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide." Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time...
If you follow the link, this is what you see:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide."
Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time on the issue of abortion.
Senator Santorum said: "Herman Cain said that he believes life begins at conception, but that it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to terminate that life. And I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for. As the author of the partial birth abortion ban and other pro-life pieces of legislation, this is the exact mentality myself and other true pro-life advocates fought against. In fact, Herman's pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left. No, Herman, it is not 'whatever they decide,'this is an innocent human life. It is unconscionable for Herman to run for the nomination of the Party that stands in defense of Life while showing disregard for the sanctity of Life. You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it - you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period."
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
MORGAN: This is what is comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
MORGAN: You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/19/pmt.01.html
Santorum starts the transcript of the conversation between Morgan and Cain long after the question was asked. The actual transcript should read:
MORGAN: But you've had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You're mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You're mixing --
MORGAN: That's what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
MORGAN: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively -- you might be president. You can't hide behind now the mask, if you don't mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
Why does Rick Santorum deliberatly leave out the red part of the conversatiom? Because it places the answer in context.
Rick Santorum lies about the question being asked Herman Cain.
I hate to use the word lie, and I'd rather give Rick Santorum (who has been a strong pro-life advocate) the benefit of the doubt, but in this case it's true. Notice in the quote from Santorum's official website, this is what they say was the question being asked:
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
They go out of their way to make is seem as if Herman Cain is talking about his general view on abortion. That isn't true. The question Herman Cain was answering was about rape victims, and should they be forced to raise the child. It was clearly not about Herman Cain's general views on abortion.
The pro-life movement is too important to be playing petty politics with. If Rick Santorum wants to criticise Herman Cain on this, then he should at least post the entire conversation, in context, rather than using selective quotes in an attempt to twist what people are saying.
I wasn’t excited about Santorum before but I didn’t dislike him. Now I do.
Rick Santorum is knowingly being dishonest. He knows Cain is Pro-Life. He is trashing another Pro-Life individual for the purposes of advancing his campaign. That is immoral.
Hard to run as a candidate of upright morality while bearing a false witness. Hopefully the half truths were the product of an overzealous and misguided staffer. Rick ought to issue an apology and ask Cain to forgive him for unrighteous an slander.
Hard to run as a candidate of upright morality while bearing a false witness. Hopefully the half truths were the product of an overzealous and misguided staffer. Rick ought to issue an apology and ask Cain to forgive him for unrighteous an slander.
MAYBE he’s trying to creat a big firestorm, much adeiu about nothing in reality, to give Cain free advertizing as he falls on his own sword for candidacy as he knows the reality.
He’s not so stupid to miss Cain’s point, he’s following “no press is bad press”.
Do you thing these media outlets would bring Cain on if he was ho-hum pro-life - no, they bring him on because they think blood is in the water!
Thank’s Rick!
Bachmann - 666 - sheeze, she’s doing the same thing! What voter do you think she was trying to impress? None. She was giving Cain a headline/interview.
Now even more know “999” and exactly how pro-life Cain is - no doubts.
Before these two, 90% fewer had any clue or cared.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.
Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?"
Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.
People around here who are emotionally tied to other candidates in the campaign need to keep in mind the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.
Bearing false witness is still a sin
Add Fox News Channel to that list. I’ve now watched three separate FOX shows in the last 24 hours make the same misrepresentation.
When Rick was a rookie house member, he and I rode the Monday morning 6:00 AM USAIR flight from Pittsburgh to DC and I got to know him and we would chat.
I supported Rick for Senator and was very happy with his performance until he {and GWB} talked a good game about conservatives and then back stabbed Pat Toomey in the primary and sphincter beat him by a mere 2 votes per precinct.
I talked to Rick about that and when he was up for election in 06, I voted for him but I wouldn't donate nor work for his campaign.
I met him at a NRA event, and he couldn't believe how few people showed and I told him it was because the folks were pissed at him for throwing all of us conservatives under the bus.
Sportsmen for Santorum were always a good segment of his base support, and at my shooting club, many of the guys were very disappointed with him.
You from da Burgh?
More hogwash.
Why you posting that to me? I didn’t even comment on Cain’s mangled interview.
Don’t tell advance_copy
Thanks for posting this FRiend, it is important that Herman Cain’s views on abortion be fully understood and I am absolutely comfortable with those views. He has a perfect Biblical view regarding the sanctity of life (which makes perfect sense as he IS an assistant pastor at his church) and while I am disappointed at Rick Santorum twisting Cain’s words, it doesn’t really surprise me and like USS Alaska, once Santorum backed Arlen Sphincter against Pat Toomey, I had no more use for him.
Santorum is hanging in as a candidate in the hope that if Michele Bachmann drops out that he might reap the benefit, and his directing his fire at Romney is all well and good.
But so far as supporting him in the upcoming primaries?
It ain’t happenin’.
Rick Santorum used to b one of my favorites. In fact my favorites were Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Herman Cain. The more I saw of the first two, the more I like the third, Herman Cain. He makes perfect sense to me. Some people do not understand me either, but usually they are not coming from where I am. I am very pleased that so far more people are coming from where Herman Cain is! God is good!
Too bad. Anyone who wants to use any of my posts here on Facebook in favor of Herman Cain is welcome to do so under his/her own screen name. I do not visit Facebook or any other social forums but Free Republic.
Cain was perfectly understandable. It’s just that people do not hear very well. He said he was personally 100% pro life, but as president he couldn’t tell people what to do. He also that said he would support any anti-abortion bill. He is right. He was always rifht, and if he is president he will still be right.
Mr. Cain did not mangle anything. He just spoke over some heads.
You could probably make that case to someone who lacked full context. Things like Cain’s stated support for grossly immoral, patently unconstitutional “fetal pain” legislation, and his political and financial support for certain pro-abortion politicians. That’s not “100% pro-life” no matter how many times he or his supporters repeat it.
Mr. Cain has given a million dollars for just one pro-life ad campaign. He has given much more over time for the movement as a whole. How much has Rick invested besides his co-authored legislation... Mr Cain puts his money where his mouth is and does not brag about it and Mr. Santoram has the gall to call him pro-choice! Rick needs to quit and get out, he has no credibility with his desperate name calling...
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