Posted on 10/22/2011 9:35:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven
If you go to Rick Santorum's official website, you'll find the following blub on the front page:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide." Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time...
If you follow the link, this is what you see:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide."
Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time on the issue of abortion.
Senator Santorum said: "Herman Cain said that he believes life begins at conception, but that it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to terminate that life. And I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for. As the author of the partial birth abortion ban and other pro-life pieces of legislation, this is the exact mentality myself and other true pro-life advocates fought against. In fact, Herman's pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left. No, Herman, it is not 'whatever they decide,'this is an innocent human life. It is unconscionable for Herman to run for the nomination of the Party that stands in defense of Life while showing disregard for the sanctity of Life. You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it - you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period."
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
MORGAN: This is what is comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
MORGAN: You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/19/pmt.01.html
Santorum starts the transcript of the conversation between Morgan and Cain long after the question was asked. The actual transcript should read:
MORGAN: But you've had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You're mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You're mixing --
MORGAN: That's what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
MORGAN: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively -- you might be president. You can't hide behind now the mask, if you don't mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
Why does Rick Santorum deliberatly leave out the red part of the conversatiom? Because it places the answer in context.
Rick Santorum lies about the question being asked Herman Cain.
I hate to use the word lie, and I'd rather give Rick Santorum (who has been a strong pro-life advocate) the benefit of the doubt, but in this case it's true. Notice in the quote from Santorum's official website, this is what they say was the question being asked:
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
They go out of their way to make is seem as if Herman Cain is talking about his general view on abortion. That isn't true. The question Herman Cain was answering was about rape victims, and should they be forced to raise the child. It was clearly not about Herman Cain's general views on abortion.
The pro-life movement is too important to be playing petty politics with. If Rick Santorum wants to criticise Herman Cain on this, then he should at least post the entire conversation, in context, rather than using selective quotes in an attempt to twist what people are saying.
Santorum should just fade away.
>> I doubt he’d help much on the ticket either, except for dishing out ‘red meat’, and perhaps to help keep the religious folks engaged. >>
As one of the “religious folks” - I cannot stand Santorum as a candidate. I think though I get your point — perhaps a way to keep the single issue or social issue only folk engaged.....
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at.
You got THAT right! bttt
Once again you show your true colors.
>>> Once again you show your true colors. >>>
Oh really smart-ss? What are they? I submit you have shown your true ignorance.
Those who attack conservatives as “single-issue” or “social issue-only” are what they are. It’s obvious.
Rick Santorum lied! His campaign died!
>> Those who attack conservatives as “single-issue” or “social issue-only” are what they are. It’s obvious. >>
I think being single issue or social only is to be a faux conservative. I think not knowing the times you are in belies Biblical warning. Why don’t you shut up for a second and read the some 150 thousand words I’ve written on every conceivable political, economic and social issue here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/
Read that, then you’ll know my “true colors” to a point. Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Desperate candidates do desperate things.
No thanks. I’ve had all of your writing I can stomach.
If you were any fuller of yourself you’d explode.
Although I used to have the utmost respect for Santorum, his performance during this presidential run has led me to lose more and more respect as time passed. And this ends it completely. This dishonesty on his part has destroyed any residual good will I had left for him.
Goodbye, Rick. I thought I knew you. I was wrong.
1. Cain
2. Bachmann
3. Gingrich
4. Santorum
5. Perry
Neither Paul nor Romney is acceptable.
You are hateful and ignorant. If you knew what my wife and I do for Christian causes on multiple continents you would be ashamed of what you have insinuated.
You and I want the same thing: the difference is, I give you credit for that while disagreeing with how to get there. You? You assume you know my agenda.
All I want from a government is the freedom to walk my Christian walk and run my business and raise my kids and spend my money the way I see fit. All too often, the “most Christian” candidate is NOT the way to get the best government result for Christians.
I can see that. You cannot. Shame on you .
Yeah, I know, I know. You’re really a big deal. Like you’ve told me ad nauseum every time I’ve ever talked with you.
I am leaning much narrower. Cain, Gingrich. Bachmann lies. Has from the second she began this run...from her family finances to the knifing of Sarah Palin with Ralph Reed, to rollins, to rhe family reunion she never attended, and then 666. Can’t trust her.
You’ve never done anything but hurl insults at me based on what you think I am. You always go personal. I simply respond. I simply point out how off base you are. I simply point out how you and reality do not intersect.
Calling conservatives “single issue” and “social issue-only” is like waving around a large red flag that says “I’m an unprincipled Republican hack.”
See ya.
>> Calling conservatives “single issue” and “social issue-only” is like waving around a large red flag that says “I’m an unprincipled Republican hack.” >>
I am sure you believe that, but this is where we have differing depths of analytical ability. While it is true that some “unprincipled Republican hacks” may say that, it is not true that everyone who would say that is one.
The reverse is that some who are single issue folks are economic and foreign policy illiterates or perhaps even economic liberals in some cases. But I would never say they all are.
Conservative to you means social issues period. I intellectually think that is flawed. To me it means Constitutionally limited government and pro liberty - which includes the right to life and a recognition of the religious underpinnings of our Founders.
Again, you have a very shallow way of defining everything and apparently, everybody.
The majority of my published work (and covert ghost work) is hard core anti establishment and anti elitist. Thus, the idea that I am some “Republican hack” is ridiculous on its face. To put that in evidence to simply show you are full of it is a reasonable reply on my part.
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