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1 posted on 10/19/2011 11:23:01 AM PDT by TLittlefella
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Under the current tax system that same couple using the standard 1040EZ tax return would pay $50,000 minus $18,700 (married couple deduction) = $31,300 taxable income. Per page 29 of the tax table they would pay $3,861 in taxes leaving them $46,139.

This is all well and good, but your illustration TOTALLY IGNORES payroll taxes of 7.65% (yes I know it has been lowered this year, but that's temporary) which means an additional $3,825 in taxes.

Moreover, Cain's plan also removes the employer's match of payroll taxes and, at least in theory, many employers would pass on at least a portion of this money to their employees. Now, you can say all you want that employers won't do this, but I can tell you that whenever I hire someone I am adding 10-12% to their compensation to cover payroll matching and other benefits.

29 posted on 10/19/2011 11:49:15 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Art Laffer endorses 999

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576637310315367804.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

BTW - all the candidates in last night debate were playing catch up to Cain’s plan with their ‘flattening’ of the current tax codes, better get on board the Cain train is leaving the station


30 posted on 10/19/2011 11:50:40 AM PDT by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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I knew a guy that had a littlefella, and he was a bitter littlefella, it’s called littlefella’s littlefella complex, and I’m truly sorry for you, because the disease, in the third stage attacks the brain, and renders you incoherent.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 11:58:50 AM PDT by USS Alaska
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Who pays sales tax on a home purchase?


38 posted on 10/19/2011 12:07:26 PM PDT by MatD
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I’m not passing judgement, good or bad on the 9-9-9 plan...but I know this. It won’t sell during the general election, and it will be a detriment to Cain (whom I think would make a good candidate, if it wasn’t for this one plan.)

When the MSM start milking the fact that the “poor”...who haven’t paid any taxes in “forever” (in fact they’ve gotten checks back from the gov’t when they paid nothing in due to credits)...will have to pay 9 percent sales tax on top of the state sales tax, which in our state is 7 percent...on the purchase of food, and medicine, and “necessities”...their cries and fear mongering will be heralded from the roof tops and Cain won’t be able to sell his plan to the general public.

Of course it will affect the women and children most, not to mention the disabled and elderly. /sarc And people will believe it and reject Cain. Now that’s just MHO, but I think it’s pretty accurate as to what will happen.

Selling 9 9 9 to the conservatives, that’s one thing, selling it to the independents...big problem.


39 posted on 10/19/2011 12:14:09 PM PDT by dawn53
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My biggest fear of this plan is that it creates a new government revenue stream with the national sales tax. If the percentages across all three streams had an ironclad guarantee of 9% (could never be increased), then I would consider it but that is just not possible.


46 posted on 10/19/2011 12:23:11 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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Current Tax System vs. Herman Cain 999 Tax Proposal

What would happen to the cost of a new house?

Retail price:
Now = $200000.00
999 = $170040.00

Local sales tax pct rate = 0.00%

Local sales tax dollars:
Now = $0.00
999 = $0.00

999 federal sales tax pct rate = 9.00%
999 federal sales tax dollars = $15303.60

Total cost with taxes:
Now = $200000.00
999 = $185343.60

Dollars saved with 999 plan = $14656.40

22% of the current cost of retail items is due to the current tax system. Herman Cain’s plan removes this hidden tax and replaces it with a 9% flat tax. The 999 price in this calculator has been adjusted to reflect this fact. Yes, that’s right. Retail prices willl go down under the 999 plan. The effect of the current tax code on retail prices has been well documented by the FairTax supporters. You can obtain documentation for this at fairtax.org.


54 posted on 10/19/2011 12:44:03 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I oppose an electric border fence, because it might kill the alligators in the moat)
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"Their combined income is $50,000."

Currently, yes. But under Cain's plan they would no longer have 15.3% deducted for Social Security and Medicare, meaning their combined incomes can be increased to $57,650 without any cost to their employers.

9% federal income tax is $5189. Using the "Chilean model" only the first $33,360 in annual wages is taxed at 10%. So, that's $3336.

Therefore, $57,650 - $5189 - $3336 = $49,125 after taxes. Under the current tax system they have $46,139 after taxes.

Gosh. Which one is better?

56 posted on 10/19/2011 12:55:04 PM PDT by misterwhite
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We don’t need our president to be a mathemetician, especially when he is bad at it.

Cain’s proposal is counter to conservatism. He proposes new taxes when what we need are spending cuts.

He is woefully lacking in leadership ability.


58 posted on 10/19/2011 12:59:00 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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“Anyone up for paying $18,000 sales tax on the next $200,000 house you purchase?”

If your are like me (I bought a farm this year) for $210,000 you would have paid ZERO tax on your home because I bought a pre-existing home. Used goods are not taxed under the 999 plan.

If you didn’t know that, you should educate yourself before putting finger to keyboard. If you DID know that then you are purposefully lying.


61 posted on 10/19/2011 1:04:07 PM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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Sales tax on house sale? Bravo Sierra. Only Obama would propose that.


62 posted on 10/19/2011 1:04:11 PM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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I don’t think Cain’s 9-9-9 is well thought out, it’s just catchy.

At least one of his supposed economic advisors has backed off of it.


87 posted on 10/19/2011 3:23:15 PM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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Cain already stated that only those buying a brand new home would pay a tax buying homes previously lived in zero tax. Whoever wrote this doesn’t know what they are talking about at all.


91 posted on 10/19/2011 3:42:49 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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Also IIRC the first $20K is not taxed under this plan so in reality their income would be $30,000.


92 posted on 10/19/2011 3:46:41 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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You don’t need to just take my word that Cain’s 999 Plan is Hell on the Middle Class and Doomsday for the Poor & Retired. It’s a fact:

The Poor Pay More.

93 posted on 10/19/2011 4:36:46 PM PDT by TLittlefella
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103 posted on 10/21/2011 9:05:19 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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Not to worry, it’s only doomsday for poor and retired whites (that is, those who don’t live in the inner city).


104 posted on 10/21/2011 9:08:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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